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<#court: Jeanne thinks it is really awkward the first year, but likes the dressiness of the occasion even as she resists the tight box of manners and being "ladylike." But she warms up to it. #>
<#court: There are pages on the wiki now, starting in 1873. =) #>
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<#court: There are pages on the wiki now, starting in 1873. =) #>
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<#kate: Ella thinks it's silly, but enjoys the new dress and the entertainment value of the ordeal. #>
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<#ann: Thirteen...that's such a tough age! I think Celeste vacillates between thinking it's a little bit silly and being thrilled and excited, depending on who she's talking to, what day it is, how the moon is aligned with Saturn, and by the night of the first party is a bundle of nerves. #>
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<#bill: Absolutely. Perhaps we could go ahead and create a page/put it on the time line. I think it would be fun for someone (probably a woman) to write a general outline of how it's supposed to go....and then the boys can take a hand at inserting their own influence.
Also, I'd like to get a sense of what the girls think about this...are they all excited by it? Are some of them refusing to do it or doing it only begrudingly (I'm looking at Valerie)? #>
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Also, I'd like to get a sense of what the girls think about this...are they all excited by it? Are some of them refusing to do it or doing it only begrudingly (I'm looking at Valerie)? #>
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<#kate: I'm cool with doing it that year Court. @Bill - I imagine the boys are either put to work or told not to make trouble...which seems like an opening. #>
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<#bill: What do they do with the boys during these events? Are we banished? Taken out for the night? Or are we lurking about and spying? #>
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<#ann: Twelve/thirteen seems a bit young, but I think that if it makes sense for your storyline, I think you should go for it with that year. Perhaps Mrs. Black is starting with some low-key events to get us used to the idea, and to start building some connections early. #>
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<#jonah: Sounds fine to me. -J #>
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<#court: Jeanne will be 13 in a few months, so I figured that was getting on to be the right age, but I can make the first one the following year if that's better! Or some girls could start one year (would prob be more focused on them, though the younger ones could join) and then all would be fully involved by the following year? #>
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<#kate: I'm bad at keeping track of anyone's age so it seems kind of early for a party focused on the girls since Ella's only 11ish, but if the others are older that would totally work for me. #>
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<#court: Is everyone okay with the first party of this sort being around 1871ish? I have some things I'd like to happen at one of the parties, but since this is something we talked about as a group, I didn't want to make the link at a wrong time. I added a link for the first party to be May Day 1871, but subject to change if it doesn't represent the groups' wishes! How often do you think we will have them? Annual? Semi-annual? #>
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<#court: Is everyone okay with the first party of this sort being around 1870/1871? I have some things I'd like to happen at one of the parties, but since this is something we talked about as a group, I didn't want to make the link at a wrong time. I might add some things to the timeline, but subject to change if it doesn't represent the groups' wishes! #>
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<#kate: My impression was they were more like parties Mrs. Black usually has (friends over or whatever) but instead of serving, the girls are "guests" which I think makes it more high-key (?) than just a normal gathering. I saw them getting-or directed by Mrs. Black-to get cleaned up and stuff which would be odd since it's not Sunday morning. I can totally seem more intimate parties though where it's a little more circumstantial, but my impression was that the to-dos were pretty to-do. Not "unclassy" so to speak but with a general "have you met so and so" vibe. But I don't know Mrs. Black that well so I could be totally off base. #>
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<#ann: Maybe I need clarification. I thought it was less debutante dinners/parties and more that eligible young men are invited to dinner. That's clearly the intent, but I was thinking that it was never stated outright (that would not be classy!) and was more low-key than an actual party. Which is it? Or is it a combination, sometimes young men and their parents will be invited to dinner, sometimes its a more formal occasion? #>
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<#kate: I had some thoughts from the chat: #>
<#kate: Court: I think beyond the garden there are lots of plants and such around the hotel that she might be in charge of too in case that makes a difference in her chores. #>
<#kate: All: I think Ella instigates a Mississippi dip during one of the really hot nights in the summer. Possibly a couple. I imagine the top floor gets pretty toasty. #>
<#kate: All: For the debutant dinners for the girls, I feel like Mrs. Black might have an initial party to make sure we'll all behave, and then do more specific parties for each girl in turn, bringing boys she thinks might be appropriate for each. Not sure when those might happen but I feel like there's more than one. I imagine the invited parties also have daughters so maybe the boys can find a sweetheart too =). #>
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<#kate: Court: I think beyond the garden there are lots of plants and such around the hotel that she might be in charge of too in case that makes a difference in her chores. #>
<#kate: All: I think Ella instigates a Mississippi dip during one of the really hot nights in the summer. Possibly a couple. I imagine the top floor gets pretty toasty. #>
<#kate: All: For the debutant dinners for the girls, I feel like Mrs. Black might have an initial party to make sure we'll all behave, and then do more specific parties for each girl in turn, bringing boys she thinks might be appropriate for each. Not sure when those might happen but I feel like there's more than one. I imagine the invited parties also have daughters so maybe the boys can find a sweetheart too =). #>
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<#kate: Jonah: Not sure when Ollie would be interested in getting lesson's dancing but feel free to stick it in and let me know. <#jonah: Event exists! #> Court: Same with the learning the French songs and such.#>
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<#kate: Given the Minnie happens as now on the timeline, I think that she, for a tactful term, blossoms early, enabling the girls to get an idea of what's ahead of them before they leave the orphanage. Just a thought that I'm sure all the guys wanted to think about =). #>
<#kate: Jonah: Not sure when Ollie would be interested in getting lesson's dancing but feel free to stick it in and let me know. Court: Same with the learning the French songs and such.#>
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<#kate: Jonah: Not sure when Ollie would be interested in getting lesson's dancing but feel free to stick it in and let me know. Court: Same with the learning the French songs and such.#>
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<#bill: Well, that's sort of what I was thinking. Not necessarily that they've been away...but that they've been oblivious. They leave pretty much all the duties to the help. Mr. French just has always done this - didn't run it by them. It was just how he thought it ought to be done and didn't feel the need. He waits until there's an appropriate time for him and the child to be alone (not because he's hiding it, but because he thinks it's a private thing - a lesson to be taught about who's in charge/how it's going to be, but not an act of shaming, as doing it in front others might feel like) and then he has a little chat with the kid and beats them. I am sure that none of the kids like it and most, if not all, cry. I don't know how much of a scene most kids would make though. I could see Valerie taking it stoically and Callahan having a stiff upper lip for the sake of appearance...it's individual. But I get the impression that for a lot of kids, like Ella maybe, such a thing is just a way of life and something to be accepted/endured. It's not for Cole so he doesn't...it's a titanic struggle and that's what first brings it to the attention of the Blacks. #>
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<#ann: Kelly said in the chat that it would be self-study. If a child shows promise or talent, a tutor can be procured. If you've learned the basics and show no interest in more, that part can drop off a bit. #>
<#ann: Kelly said in chat that while it's not terribly encouraged (particularly for the girls) some of the children can be hired out based on their particular talents. All of the money goes to the Blacks. #>
<#ann: Kelly said in chat that while it's not terribly encouraged (particularly for the girls) some of the children can be hired out based on their particular talents. All of the money goes to the Blacks. #>
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<#court: I think it's a possibility, if there were a story that made sense. I'm not sure just Cole making a scene would be enough on its own, since I can't imagine no kids have made a scene before. But maybe something has happened to change the Blacks' sensibilities since the last time, or maybe they've always been conveniently away before, or... something? #>
<#court: I also like the idea of outside jobs, and in fact, plan to have one at some point. Bill, your rationale for it would be useful, I think! #>
<#court: I also like the idea of outside jobs, and in fact, plan to have one at some point. Bill, your rationale for it would be useful, I think! #>
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<#kate: I'm cool with the girls doing it and I agree that especially Mrs. Black probably won't see these kids "growing up". Not sure what might precipitate the event though...? Will mull.#>
<#kate: I think the military could get letters to Cole. You'd send it to General Cole at Fort whatever and they'd get the mail to you. They got them to soldiers in POW camps during the Civil War so I can't imagine they couldn't do it for active folk.#>
<#bill: My own question: This one is really for Kel. As I recall, there as a statement early on that everyone got a beating on there first day from Mr. Black just to let them know how it was going to be. That actually wasn't reflected in any of the arrival events. Does that still happen? Is it something we forgot? Or something, perhaps, he does in private so there aren't any group events about that? #>
<#kate: I could also see that just being the end (like graduating college). Your studies are over at a certain point but if you want to learn more, maybe you can have access to Mr. Black's books or in your free time study more on your own. I can't really see Mrs. Black having the patience or dedication to continue their education on her own.#>
<#kate: I'm totally behind having outside jobs if that fits into the work schedule. Maybe for the Blacks, so long as the Hotel chores get done, the extra time (by the time they're teenagers) is theirs to do with as they like. Maybe even Ms. Lizzy's gone - giving folks the opportunity to go extend their studies elsewhere while others do their apprenticeship or side job. If there are no little kids to teach (or Celeste or someone can do the job) there doesn't seem a need for Ms. Lizzy to hang around.#>
<#kate: I can also see the Hotel being bought at some point when the last orphan is leaving/old enough to go and the Blacks no longer have the energy/desire to run it. The new owner could actually hire people to do the menial labor so the orphanage part is moot.#>
<#bill: I thought of another question. I know that the orphanage stops taking kids after Ella and there are practical reasons for that - but will that be addressed in game in any way? Do we see kid/kids brought to the orphanage who get turned away? That might be an interesting event. And could be really impact those of use who get to stay. This wouldn't work for Cole, but I could see one reaction being that someone tries to create/run an orphanage when they're older.#>
<#kate: Interesting idea, although I don't think Ella would have that reaction either. She'd feel sorry for the kid but it wouldn't inspire a "goal" for her life.#>
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<#kate: I think the military could get letters to Cole. You'd send it to General Cole at Fort whatever and they'd get the mail to you. They got them to soldiers in POW camps during the Civil War so I can't imagine they couldn't do it for active folk.#>
<#bill: My own question: This one is really for Kel. As I recall, there as a statement early on that everyone got a beating on there first day from Mr. Black just to let them know how it was going to be. That actually wasn't reflected in any of the arrival events. Does that still happen? Is it something we forgot? Or something, perhaps, he does in private so there aren't any group events about that? #>
<#kate: I could also see that just being the end (like graduating college). Your studies are over at a certain point but if you want to learn more, maybe you can have access to Mr. Black's books or in your free time study more on your own. I can't really see Mrs. Black having the patience or dedication to continue their education on her own.#>
<#kate: I'm totally behind having outside jobs if that fits into the work schedule. Maybe for the Blacks, so long as the Hotel chores get done, the extra time (by the time they're teenagers) is theirs to do with as they like. Maybe even Ms. Lizzy's gone - giving folks the opportunity to go extend their studies elsewhere while others do their apprenticeship or side job. If there are no little kids to teach (or Celeste or someone can do the job) there doesn't seem a need for Ms. Lizzy to hang around.#>
<#kate: I can also see the Hotel being bought at some point when the last orphan is leaving/old enough to go and the Blacks no longer have the energy/desire to run it. The new owner could actually hire people to do the menial labor so the orphanage part is moot.#>
<#bill: I thought of another question. I know that the orphanage stops taking kids after Ella and there are practical reasons for that - but will that be addressed in game in any way? Do we see kid/kids brought to the orphanage who get turned away? That might be an interesting event. And could be really impact those of use who get to stay. This wouldn't work for Cole, but I could see one reaction being that someone tries to create/run an orphanage when they're older.#>
<#kate: Interesting idea, although I don't think Ella would have that reaction either. She'd feel sorry for the kid but it wouldn't inspire a "goal" for her life.#>
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<#bill: My own question: This one is really for Kel. As I recall, there as a statement early on that everyone got a beating on there first day from Mr. Black just to let them know how it was going to be. That actually wasn't reflected in any of the arrival events. Does that still happen? Is it something we forgot? Or something, perhaps, he does in private so there aren't any group events about that? #>
<#bill: I thought of another question. I know that the orphanage stops taking kids after Ella and there are practical reasons for that - but will that be addressed in game in any way? Do we see kid/kids brought to the orphanage who get turned away? That might be an interesting event. And could be really impact those of use who get to stay. This wouldn't work for Cole, but I could see one reaction being that someone tries to create/run an orphanage when they're older. #>
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<#kate: Awesome, three terrible hairdo's it is =). Like I mentioned earlier, maybe this is something Minnie can bring to the party? Give her her own point of authority to help her bond with folks since we all seem to be troublemakers instead. #>
<#kate: I'm cool with the girls doing it and I agree that especially Mrs. Black probably won't see these kids "growing up". Not sure what might precipitate the event though.... Must mull. #>
<#kate: Although Ella goes venturing, she does end up in New Orleans from time to time so she might be able to hook up with people when she's in town for dinner / tea etc. #>
<#kate: I'm cool with the girls doing it and I agree that especially Mrs. Black probably won't see these kids "growing up". Not sure what might precipitate the event though.... Must mull. #>
<#kate: Although Ella goes venturing, she does end up in New Orleans from time to time so she might be able to hook up with people when she's in town for dinner / tea etc. #>
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<#bill: Cole will likely be writing letters in the military. I don't know exactly who he writes to...I'm sure there will be at least one person - especially if they in one place settled. I doubt he's writing 4 or 5 letters. If, as Kate suggests as a possiblity, some people are living close to each other he'd write a letter everyone near by - but obviously he has to get sent to one address. Also, I haven't researched it, but I think that he'd be able to receive letters. Even though he might be moving around with the military, I think he'd either be giving a heads up in his letters where he is/where he's headed to, or you could probably send them to one military address that then forwards them on to him. I think....librarians correct me... #>
<#bill: Sorry, I meant Mr. French. I'm okay with it one way or the other. Since it was Kel's thought initially, I didn't know how important it was to him as god to keep or not. Like I said, it wasn't reflected in the events we've gone over. Not that I don't think it's really messed up to do/abusive - cause I do - I will say that I don't necessarily think if it stays in that there's a pervasive atmosphere of abuse/sadness in the orphanage. I think that's particularly true of you're judging by the standards of the time and not modern day.
It does give me an idea for an event: (that could be bonding for Cole and Celeste). What do people think about the idea of leaving it in until Cole arrives. French beats Cole but Cole kind of freaks out about it and causes a huge disturbance (struggling to get away, "it's not fair! it's not fair! i haven't done anything! etc etc) and the Blacks, while not countermanding French in front of the kids, quietly put an end to the practice. If people don't think that's entirely unrealistic I think that's in character for Cole and it would put an end to it before anyone else gets to the orphanage. To be clear, Cole isn't complaining directly to the Blacks or going to them for help - I think that is out of character. It's more he doesn't submit and creates such a commotion that the Blacks (one or both) come to investigate what's going on and just sees/hears it and responds. Frankly, I think the whole orphanage would hear it. Thoughts? #>
<#bill: Maybe when the kids are older/more mature and they've reached the point that they're surpassed Lizzy, Mrs. Black would choose to step in and provide some education. She seems to be an educated woman, has time on her hands, and perhaps likes playing school teacher for a few hours a week. #>
<#bill: What your saying about being for efficient etc due to numbers/maturity makes sense to me Ann. I actually thought doing extra jobs or apprenticeships (particularly in the case of the boys) would be a good idea. It makes sense as far as the Blacks trying to prepare the kids for the world/moving out. Also, if we go the opposite way as far as the hotel - it's becoming less prosperous/losing money - the Blacks could want us to make some money to earn our keep. Maybe we can keep a percentage of what we earn to save for when we move out. I also think this option could create some more opportunities for interesting back story. #>
<#bill: I thought of another question. I know that the orphanage stops taking kids after Ella and there are practical reasons for that - but will that be addressed in game in any way? Do we see kid/kids brought to the orphanage who get turned away? That might be an interesting event. And could be really impact those of use who get to stay. This wouldn't work for Cole, but I could see one reaction being that someone tries to create/run an orphanage when they're older. #>
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<#bill: Sorry, I meant Mr. French. I'm okay with it one way or the other. Since it was Kel's thought initially, I didn't know how important it was to him as god to keep or not. Like I said, it wasn't reflected in the events we've gone over. Not that I don't think it's really messed up to do/abusive - cause I do - I will say that I don't necessarily think if it stays in that there's a pervasive atmosphere of abuse/sadness in the orphanage. I think that's particularly true of you're judging by the standards of the time and not modern day.
It does give me an idea for an event: (that could be bonding for Cole and Celeste). What do people think about the idea of leaving it in until Cole arrives. French beats Cole but Cole kind of freaks out about it and causes a huge disturbance (struggling to get away, "it's not fair! it's not fair! i haven't done anything! etc etc) and the Blacks, while not countermanding French in front of the kids, quietly put an end to the practice. If people don't think that's entirely unrealistic I think that's in character for Cole and it would put an end to it before anyone else gets to the orphanage. To be clear, Cole isn't complaining directly to the Blacks or going to them for help - I think that is out of character. It's more he doesn't submit and creates such a commotion that the Blacks (one or both) come to investigate what's going on and just sees/hears it and responds. Frankly, I think the whole orphanage would hear it. Thoughts? #>
<#bill: Maybe when the kids are older/more mature and they've reached the point that they're surpassed Lizzy, Mrs. Black would choose to step in and provide some education. She seems to be an educated woman, has time on her hands, and perhaps likes playing school teacher for a few hours a week. #>
<#bill: What your saying about being for efficient etc due to numbers/maturity makes sense to me Ann. I actually thought doing extra jobs or apprenticeships (particularly in the case of the boys) would be a good idea. It makes sense as far as the Blacks trying to prepare the kids for the world/moving out. Also, if we go the opposite way as far as the hotel - it's becoming less prosperous/losing money - the Blacks could want us to make some money to earn our keep. Maybe we can keep a percentage of what we earn to save for when we move out. I also think this option could create some more opportunities for interesting back story. #>
<#bill: I thought of another question. I know that the orphanage stops taking kids after Ella and there are practical reasons for that - but will that be addressed in game in any way? Do we see kid/kids brought to the orphanage who get turned away? That might be an interesting event. And could be really impact those of use who get to stay. This wouldn't work for Cole, but I could see one reaction being that someone tries to create/run an orphanage when they're older. #>
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<#ann: I'm not sure. Honestly I hadn't given much thought to Celeste's hair. Biracial hair can go so many different ways. I'm going to go for super-curly/frizzy. At least as a child it's going to depend a lot on the adults. Does someone do their hair, or are they left to their own? If they're left to their own, I think Celeste's hair is a wild frizz for a year or two because she's never done it on her own before. #>
<#ann: I'd like to have the girls take the initiative because I think it would make for some really interesting roleplaying. I think the Blacks are oblivious to the fact that their "children" are growing up. #>
<#ann: Me too! I don't think I'll be leaving New Orleans. Is anyone else staying around? It would be weird to write letter when we could just get together for tea (or board together?) so if more people are sticking around we might want to think of other ways to communicate, or just send letters and pretend it was a conversation over dinner. #>
<#ann: It seems to me that we've been sort of evolving the orphanage from one of misery and torment to one where we are generally happy. Life isn't perfect, and we are certainly deriving most of our comfort and sense of community from one another rather than from caring and sympathetic adults, but at the same time we're fed, warm, and dry. We work hard, but this is an era when that was not uncommon for children. I don't have a problem with the orphanage being a place where they are very strict, where every disobedience is promptly and sometimes violently dealt with, and there are occasional bouts of unfairness (what kid's life doesnt' include injustice?) but where there isn't any actual child abuse. #>
<#ann: I have a question: We originally said that the children learn just the basics in reading, writing, arithmetic, in part because Miss Lizzy is not terribly educated herself. It will only be a few years, then, before she reaches her limit.The steady supply of new children would mean that the education is staggered at various levels for quite a while. What happens when Lizzy runs out of what she knows? Do the kids keep going on their own, sort of homeschooling themselves with Lizzy's supervision? Do the lessons stop and that time is reassigned to other tasks or lessons? Does it depend on the kid? I know Celeste is motivated to learn more than just the basics. #>
<#ann: Second question: As the children get older they can take on more and more responsibility, and are doing their old tasks much quicker because they're older and more competent (also there are more of them), so that by the time they are young teens and starting to get ready to leave, they might even have some more free time in their day. Are they allowed to do jobs on the side to make money, like baking extra bread to sell or growing extra herbs, or does the hotel services grow with the kids, becoming more prosperous and thus more busy as the kids get older and are better at their jobs? #>
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<#ann: I'd like to have the girls take the initiative because I think it would make for some really interesting roleplaying. I think the Blacks are oblivious to the fact that their "children" are growing up. #>
<#ann: Me too! I don't think I'll be leaving New Orleans. Is anyone else staying around? It would be weird to write letter when we could just get together for tea (or board together?) so if more people are sticking around we might want to think of other ways to communicate, or just send letters and pretend it was a conversation over dinner. #>
<#ann: It seems to me that we've been sort of evolving the orphanage from one of misery and torment to one where we are generally happy. Life isn't perfect, and we are certainly deriving most of our comfort and sense of community from one another rather than from caring and sympathetic adults, but at the same time we're fed, warm, and dry. We work hard, but this is an era when that was not uncommon for children. I don't have a problem with the orphanage being a place where they are very strict, where every disobedience is promptly and sometimes violently dealt with, and there are occasional bouts of unfairness (what kid's life doesnt' include injustice?) but where there isn't any actual child abuse. #>
<#ann: I have a question: We originally said that the children learn just the basics in reading, writing, arithmetic, in part because Miss Lizzy is not terribly educated herself. It will only be a few years, then, before she reaches her limit.The steady supply of new children would mean that the education is staggered at various levels for quite a while. What happens when Lizzy runs out of what she knows? Do the kids keep going on their own, sort of homeschooling themselves with Lizzy's supervision? Do the lessons stop and that time is reassigned to other tasks or lessons? Does it depend on the kid? I know Celeste is motivated to learn more than just the basics. #>
<#ann: Second question: As the children get older they can take on more and more responsibility, and are doing their old tasks much quicker because they're older and more competent (also there are more of them), so that by the time they are young teens and starting to get ready to leave, they might even have some more free time in their day. Are they allowed to do jobs on the side to make money, like baking extra bread to sell or growing extra herbs, or does the hotel services grow with the kids, becoming more prosperous and thus more busy as the kids get older and are better at their jobs? #>
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<#kate: This one's pretty much for the girls but if the boys have ideas please comment! Do any of the girls deal with hair particularly well? ie: Braid, have it as a focus of their appearance, note the new styles etc. I'm thinking that might be Minnie, but wasn't sure. It's definitely not Ella for a while. #>
<#kate: Is there a point where the place gets divided between boys and girls? I figure that'd be an event on the timeline but am not sure where it would get to the point the Blacks or Lizzy feel like they need to take action. Maybe mid 1870's (1874-5?). #>
<#bill: An answer to Kate and then a question of my own: Kate, regarding the separation issue...I'm not sure if you're asking //if// there's a separation or just trying to nail down the date. I recall a discussion on the Cape. I believe the final decision, down from on high, was that the Blacks simply don't have more space so they all continue in the same room. There was a possibility of putting up curtains within the bedroom, but I think the thing that came back to was "Does any one complain?" I'm not sure that issue was settled.#>
<#kate: To answer Bill: I meant to nail down the date for the curtain to go up to separate the kids in the same room, girls on one side, boys on the other. I agree that it wasn't settled in the Cape so I'm trying to do so here. I could see this coming up a few ways:
1. Court's idea could definitely work especially if the boys are anything like my brothers who did - no wait they still do - like to make boobie and butt jokes. Maybe then it's the girls who put up the curtain?
2. Maybe be the Blacks/French/Lizzie (an adult) catches people snogging or gawking at/with a guest and start to worry about the pitter patter of more little orphans.
3. As good Christian folk the Blacks might be concerned about the virtue of the girls under their care or perhaps want to separate the boys from icky girlness depending on their perspective and put up the curtain under their own accord.
4. We could just skip it and not move people around, although imo it seems kind of unrealistic that a Christian family's going to let a bunch of young adults be shacked up in the same place regardless of how brotherly/sisterly they were as kids.#>
<#kate: Ella is most likely going to write letters to folks post leaving the orphanage. I know this is way ahead of where we are (Kate never does that) but if she knows of a good address / location she can reach you at during her travels you'll get mail =).#>
<#bill: My own question: This one is really for Kel. As I recall, there as a statement early on that everyone got a beating on there first day from Mr. Black just to let them know how it was going to be. That actually wasn't reflected in any of the arrival events. Does that still happen? Is it something we forgot? Or something, perhaps, he does in private so there aren't any group events about that? #>
<#kate: I agree with Jonah that the beatings just for beating's sake seems inhumane.#>
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<#kate: This one's pretty much for the girls but if the boys have ideas please comment! Do any of the girls deal with hair particularly well? ie: Braid, have it as a focus of their appearance, note the new styles etc. I'm thinking that might be Minnie, but wasn't sure. It's definitely not Ella for a while. #>
<#kate: Is there a point where the place gets divided between boys and girls? I figure that'd be an event on the timeline but am not sure where it would get to the point the Blacks or Lizzy feel like they need to take action. Maybe mid 1870's (1874-5?). #>
<#bill: An answer to Kate and then a question of my own: Kate, regarding the separation issue...I'm not sure if you're asking //if// there's a separation or just trying to nail down the date. I recall a discussion on the Cape. I believe the final decision, down from on high, was that the Blacks simply don't have more space so they all continue in the same room. There was a possibility of putting up curtains within the bedroom, but I think the thing that came back to was "Does any one complain?" I'm not sure that issue was settled.#>
<#kate: To answer Bill: I meant to nail down the date for the curtain to go up to separate the kids in the same room, girls on one side, boys on the other. I agree that it wasn't settled in the Cape so I'm trying to do so here. I could see this coming up a few ways:
1. Court's idea could definitely work especially if the boys are anything like my brothers who did - no wait they still do - like to make boobie and butt jokes. Maybe then it's the girls who put up the curtain?
2. Maybe be the Blacks/French/Lizzie (an adult) catches people snogging or gawking at/with a guest and start to worry about the pitter patter of more little orphans.
3. As good Christian folk the Blacks might be concerned about the virtue of the girls under their care or perhaps want to separate the boys from icky girlness depending on their perspective and put up the curtain under their own accord.
4. We could just skip it and not move people around, although imo it seems kind of unrealistic that a Christian family's going to let a bunch of young adults be shacked up in the same place regardless of how brotherly/sisterly they were as kids.#>
<#kate: Ella is most likely going to write letters to folks post leaving the orphanage. I know this is way ahead of where we are (Kate never does that) but if she knows of a good address / location she can reach you at during her travels you'll get mail =).#>
<#bill: My own question: This one is really for Kel. As I recall, there as a statement early on that everyone got a beating on there first day from Mr. Black just to let them know how it was going to be. That actually wasn't reflected in any of the arrival events. Does that still happen? Is it something we forgot? Or something, perhaps, he does in private so there aren't any group events about that? #>
<#kate: I agree with Jonah that the beatings just for beating's sake seems inhumane.#>
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This one's pretty much for the girls but if the boys have ideas please comment! Do any of the girls deal with hair particularly well? ie: Braid, have it as a focus of their appearance, note the new styles etc. I'm thinking that might be Minnie, but wasn't sure. It's definitely not Ella for a while.
Is there a point where the place gets divided between boys and girls? I figure that'd be an event on the timeline but am not sure where it would get to the point the Blacks or Lizzy feel like they need to take action. Maybe mid 1870's (1874-5?).
Ella is most likely going to write letters to folks post leaving the orphanage. I know this is way ahead of where we are (Kate never does that) but if she knows of a good address / location she can reach you at during her travels you'll get mail =).#>
<#bill: An answer to Kate and then a question of my own: Kate, regarding the separation issue...I'm not sure if you're asking //if// there's a separation or just trying to nail down the date. I recall a discussion on the Cape. I believe the final decision, down from on high, was that the Blacks simply don't have more space so they all continue in the same room. There was a possibility of putting up curtains within the bedroom, but I think the thing that came back to was "Does any one complain?" I'm not sure that issue was settled.
My own question: This one is really for Kel. As I recall, there as a statement early on that everyone got a beating on there first day from Mr. Black just to let them know how it was going to be. That actually wasn't reflected in any of the arrival events. Does that still happen? Is it something we forgot? Or something, perhaps, he does in private so there aren't any group events about that? #>
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<#jonah: That was Mr. French, and that detail is listed on his page, [[MartinFrench here.]] The question of whether this statement is still true holds. I could take it or leave it, personally. It seems somewhat inhumane. #>
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<#court: Definitely not Jeanne either, at least not at this point. #>
<#court: I will have one... have thoughts on where it will be, but not nailed down yet. And likewise - Jeanne will send mail (probably newspaper clippings and other things more than personal letters, we'll see) if you have a location to send them! #>
<#court: I could see the girls - at least some - starting to feel awkward in a few years... maybe we could have an event where we get together and discuss it and see where it goes? #>
<#court: I will have one... have thoughts on where it will be, but not nailed down yet. And likewise - Jeanne will send mail (probably newspaper clippings and other things more than personal letters, we'll see) if you have a location to send them! #>
<#court: I could see the girls - at least some - starting to feel awkward in a few years... maybe we could have an event where we get together and discuss it and see where it goes? #>
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<#bill: An answer to Kate and then a question of my own: Kate, regarding the separation issue...I'm not sure if you're asking //if// there's a separation or just trying to nail down the date. I recall a discussion on the Cape. I believe the final decision, down from on high, was that the Blacks simply don't have more space so they all continue in the same room. There was a possibility of putting up curtains within the bedroom, but I think the thing that came back to was "Does any one complain?" I'm not sure that issue was settled.
My own question: This one is really for Kel. As I recall, there as a statement early on that everyone got a beating on there first day from Mr. Black just to let them know how it was going to be. That actually wasn't reflected in any of the arrival events. Does that still happen? Is it something we forgot? Or something, perhaps, he does in private so there aren't any group events about that? #>
My own question: This one is really for Kel. As I recall, there as a statement early on that everyone got a beating on there first day from Mr. Black just to let them know how it was going to be. That actually wasn't reflected in any of the arrival events. Does that still happen? Is it something we forgot? Or something, perhaps, he does in private so there aren't any group events about that? #>
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Is there a point where the place gets divided between boys and girls? I figure that'd be an event on the timeline but am not sure where it would get to the point the Blacks or Lizzy feel like they need to take action. Maybe mid 1870's (1874-5?).
Ella is most likely going to write letters to folks post leaving the orphanage. I know this is way ahead of where we are (Kate never does that) but if she knows of a good address / location she can reach you at during her travels you'll get mail =).#>
Ella is most likely going to write letters to folks post leaving the orphanage. I know this is way ahead of where we are (Kate never does that) but if she knows of a good address / location she can reach you at during her travels you'll get mail =).#>
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<#kate: A few new questions:
This one's pretty much for the girls but if the boys have ideas please comment! Do any of the girls deal with hair particularly well? ie: Braid, have it as a focus of their appearance, note the new styles etc. I'm thinking that might be Minnie, but wasn't sure. It's definitely not Ella for a while.
Is there a point where the place gets divided between boys and girls? I figure that'd be an event on the timeline but am not sure where it would get to the point the Blacks or Lizzy feel like they need to take action. Maybe mid 1870's (1874-5?). #>
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This one's pretty much for the girls but if the boys have ideas please comment! Do any of the girls deal with hair particularly well? ie: Braid, have it as a focus of their appearance, note the new styles etc. I'm thinking that might be Minnie, but wasn't sure. It's definitely not Ella for a while.
Is there a point where the place gets divided between boys and girls? I figure that'd be an event on the timeline but am not sure where it would get to the point the Blacks or Lizzy feel like they need to take action. Maybe mid 1870's (1874-5?). #>
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<#kate: Just to add to the birthday discussion: [[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_WZlUOuQrb3CUbpSPwoE8PItBsc8hu3hrvzfOqxBodo/edit Reference Article on Birthdays]]. #>
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<#bill: Cole is religion curious...but he's a kid so he does get bored. When he's very young, he like the part of the bible that are interesting stories (like the Flood). When he's older he becomes more intellectual about it...but true faith never really takes hold. #>
<#ann: Not us, obviously! But wikipedia says that the Happy Birthday song was first written down at the turn of century, and that there are references to birthday candles in the early 19th century, and off the top of my head, I know there is a birthday party scene in A Little Princess, first serialized in 1888 (which I didn't know off the top of my head, I'm not that good). Brief (less than ten minutes) of googling suggests that while the day would be acknowledged and a rich child would get presents, poorer children might not expect receive gifts, or would be delighted with an orange or stick of candy or something. Louis's cake might be the highlight of the day.#>
<#bill: Cole is religion curious...but he's a kid so he does get bored. When he's very young, he like the part of the bible that are interesting stories (like the Flood). When he's older he becomes more intellectual about it...but true faith never really takes hold. #>
<#ann: Not us, obviously! But wikipedia says that the Happy Birthday song was first written down at the turn of century, and that there are references to birthday candles in the early 19th century, and off the top of my head, I know there is a birthday party scene in A Little Princess, first serialized in 1888 (which I didn't know off the top of my head, I'm not that good). Brief (less than ten minutes) of googling suggests that while the day would be acknowledged and a rich child would get presents, poorer children might not expect receive gifts, or would be delighted with an orange or stick of candy or something. Louis's cake might be the highlight of the day.#>
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**(Bill since you are clean up guy. Dide you want to clean up this section? I think most of it was copied already to the NONpcs page)**
<#bill: Kel, I hadn't done that because the original goal was more to remove completed discussions - while leaving the established facts. But since you asked I'm happy to do it. I don't think everything has been transferred over...but I'll go through add to the NPCs' pages as appropriate. #>
<#bill: Cole is religion curious...but he's a kid so he does get bored. When he's very young, he like the part of the bible that are interesting stories (like the Flood). When he's older he becomes more intellectual about it...but true father never really takes hold. #>
<#ann: Not us, obviously! But wikipedia says that the Happy Birthday song was first written down at the turn of century, and that there are references to birthday candles in the early 19th century, and off the top of my head, I know there is a birthday party scene in A Little Princess, first serialized in 1888 (which I didn't know off the top of my head, I'm not that good). Brief (less than ten minutes) of googling suggests that while the day would be acknowledged and a rich child would get presents, poorer children might not expect receive gifts, or would be delighted with an orange or stick of candy or something. Louis's cake might be the highlight of the day.#>
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[[https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1N-PEQ4W_LPcbwHDQt0pTtz2Mg03vmA4s6VETRU_T0r4/edit French Quarter Detail]] <#kate: I put in the hotel and orphanage arbitrarily here (it seemed a good spot in relation to the church and market), but I'm totally open to altering the position. The other details are historical landmarks that were there at the time (or before then). I'm hoping to add more but if anyone knows of something else to add, let me know. I'm happy to either share the file or get it into Google in a more editable format (but don't really feel like spending the time figure that out at the moment so a picture you have now =P) #>
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**Kate both those3 links lead to the same doc.** NeedsKate
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<#ann: Not us, obviously! But wikipedia says that the Happy Birthday song was first written down at the turn of century, and that there are references to birthday candles in the early 19th century, and off the top of my head, I know there is a birthday party scene in A Little Princess, first serialized in 1888 (which I didn't know off the top of my head, I'm not that good). Brief (less than ten minutes) of googling suggests that while the day would be acknowledged and a rich child would get presents, poorer children might not expect receive gifts, or would be delighted with an orange or stick of candy or something. Louis's cake might be the highlight of the day.#>
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<#ann: Not us, obviously! But wikipedia says that the Happy Birthday song was first written down at the turn of century, and that there are references to birthday candles in the early 19th century, and off the top of my head, I know there is a birthday party scene in A Little Princess, first serialized in 1888 (which I didn't know off the top of my head, I'm not that good). Brief (less than ten minutes) of googling suggests that while the day would be acknowledged and a rich child would get presents, poorer children might not expect receive gifts, or would be delighted with an orange or stick of candy or something. Louis's cake might be the highlight of the day.>
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**Kate both those3 links lead to the same doc.** NeedsKate
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**Note they go to church until they leave, so I think Ollie would eventually be old enough.**
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NeedsBill - to pick bed
**Note they go to church until they leave, so I think Ollie would eventually be old enough.**
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<#jonah: Ollie isn't a big fan of church, as his mom makes him hush and sit down and stop moving, all things which are very difficult for the boy to do. He's too young, I think, to understand what it actually means. #>
<#court: Jeanne and Ollie celebrated birthdays in their family. We are trying to figure out if we would know the dates, as such, or just know the time of year our family celebrated them. #><#jonah: Yeah... who knows what's historically appropriate? #>
<#court: Jeanne and Ollie celebrated birthdays in their family. We are trying to figure out if we would know the dates, as such, or just know the time of year our family celebrated them. #><#jonah: Yeah... who knows what's historically appropriate? #>
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<#court: Jeanne and Ollie celebrated birthdays in their family. We are trying to figure out if we would know the dates, as such, or just know the time of year our family celebrated them. #>
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<#court: Jeanne and Ollie were raised Catholic, so regardless of any personal opinions, they will be used to the ritual (though this will be much bigger/grander/more crowded than what they're accustomed to. #>
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<#court: Jeanne and Ollie celebrated birthdays in their family. We are trying to figure out if we would know the dates, as such, or just know the time of year our family celebrated them. #>
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<#court: Jeanne and Ollie celebrated birthdays in their family. We are trying to figure out if we would know the dates, as such, or just know the time of year our family celebrated them. #>
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I'll add more as my brain churns, others can feel free to add as well.**
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**Pick beds. Kelly's up.**
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<#kate: Kate has some questions for folk. Many might need to wait until earlier events are figured out, some might be none of my business =P but I need to get them out of my head before I go...more crazy: #>
<#kate: Court: Do you think Jeanne's native language becomes apparent? I think it would be neat, and something Ella would be curious about, if only learning a few phrases here and there rather than becoming fluent or anything. #>
<#court: Yes - I think it's definitely apparent. I suspect she's old enough that she will retain an accent at least while she is at the orphanage, and we'll see what happens for later. And even though she'll gain English fluency quickly, I suspect she will retain some odd turns of phrase that will pop up periodically. #>
<#kate: Cool. I bet this will come out in the events but I'll keep my ear out for stuff that Ella might pick up #>
<#kate: Court & Jonah: You guys have two different dates for your characters arrival. Given that your siblings, is there a reason the other characters would know? #>
<#court: There is a reason, and the other characters will probably be told something. However, to figure out exactly what they are told, I believe that should play out in our arrival scenes or, if it doesn't come up there, in another event soon after. #><#jonah: What she said. #>
<#kate: Neat I'll look forward to it =) #>
<#kate: Jonah: You mention Ollie likes dancing. Do you mean he's just wiggly or does he like to / grows to like more "formal" dancing (like steps not tuxedo waltz)? Ella definitely likes to dance and might abscond with him if he's a willing partner =). #>
<#jonah: I think he'd be up for it! I imagine sometime in his teen years he could be entertained by perhaps a jazz club or a zydeco party... (I'm not sure what's historically appropriate, but that's a minor matter!) #>
<#kate: Very fun. This brings up another question (see below!) #>
<#kate: Bill & Jonah: How does Cole / Ollie get their nickname? Cole introduces himself as Nicolas in the initial Ella event, so does it come after that? How about Ollie or does is he always called that? #>
<#jonah: At least for Ollie, he gets his nickname from his family. His real name is Olivier, but apparently Ollie is a reasonably historically popular Cajun nickname. He's going to arrive with very little English (much like Jeanne) but I think he learns quickly, both from the other kids (perhaps Celeste?) and from Mr. French. #>
**Mr. French is not much of a teacher, but he would use French if it was clear that Ollie (or anyone) didnt speak English.**
<#bill: Kate, I hadn't 'officially' decided. Cole is an established nickname/diminutive form of Nicholas - so that would be the easy answer. There's also his 'coal' black hair and dark eyes... so maybe that's how he picks it up. But I will say that he definitely doesn't come to the orphanage calling himself Cole. I am content for it to come about at the orphanage if that's what happens, but it's fine if it doesn't. Maybe he picks it up in the military or sometime later as an adult. I will note for Kel that it is a nickname he likes, so I'd ask that it's not a name that any npcs whom he doesn't like come up with for him (like Mr. French, I'm pretty sure he'd not going to like Mr. French). If it doesn't happen at the orphanage or by the time our game comes to a close, that's cool. #>
<#kate: Bill & Kelly: How does Cole carry his soldiers around? How does Callahan keep his coin? #>
**Callahan keeps his coin in his left shoe when he goes about his day. He often has it in his hand as well. (He looks at it before he goes to bed and puts it under his pillow when he sleeps.)**
<#bill: I think he just keeps them in his pockets. They are pretty small. Now, that may change should issues arrive at the orphanage. If one of the adults tries to take them away or kids try to take them he'd have to get a little more creative in how he holds on to them. No shoe thought...that would hurt. #>
<#kate: Ann & Kelly: How does this seem to you? [[PianoEvent]] #>
<#bill: Maybe I missed something...Why is there a piano event already? It seems premature as I'm not sure we can say who is there or not. #>
**Its in progress. The idea is to have stuff to drop in, once characters establish they are doing things other characters and figure out if they are involved and things can evolve and change. I have the core characters dealing with stuff. If it later turns out that Cole would be involved with the event then we will alter it.
In the same way I would be happy to have Cole having an event where he goes hunting with Abner and Callahan if you think that would happen, and then we will evolve it if other PCs feel they would be invovled.
I dont see what the problem is.**
<#kate: Kelly:
1a. When does Callahan first discover the Bell Tower? I'm assuming well before Ella's arrival, but thought it might be a good Timeline Event to include. #>
**Callahan knows about the Bell Tower before any of the PCs get there. He is happy to show anyone brave enough to go out on the roof it at his earliest opportunity.**
<#kate: 1b. Can anyone go out to the Bell Tower or is it King Callahan's domain (especially with his money stash up there?) or some kind of rite of passage?
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**Anyone can go out there, as I said Cal is happy to show people, he likes showing off. He keeps his stash of money out there, and I feel like other characters keep important things they dont want the adults to be able to get at out there as well. He sleeps by the window and usually knows who comes and goes, so it would be difficult for someone to take his money, but if someone feels like they would we should have an event!**
<#kate: 2. How does Erin react to Shawn's adventuring? #>
**Erin has a "boys will be boys" mentality, she worries about him, but she is not mad.**
<#kate: 3. Is there some kind of curfew those who sneak out adhere to? I feel like Ella would be one of them, and would be interested to know if there are "rules" the children have figured out. #>
**The children are "in bed" after dinner, and are expected to be up and starting work at 5 am. There is no curfew, but if you are late for work, or sleeping on the job then punishment ensues. Also if you are not in your bed at 5 a.m. when Mrs Lizzy comes to "check" there is hell to pay.**
<#kate: 4. Are there any "hazing traditions" besides Mr. French's initial beating?
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**Introduction to the Bell Tower, nothing else that I know of.**
<#kate: Cool so just to consolidate for my brain in 1869:#>
- Callahan: 10
- Celeste: 11
- Deco: 9 <#ann: I think he is 8 in 1869 if he is 5 in 1866, though of course it depends on where his birthday falls.#>
- Ella: 9
- Jeanne: 10
- Jefferson: 10
- Minnie: 10
- Nicholas: 9 <#ann: I think it's 10. Bill, confirm?#> <#bill: Depends when in 1869. OOG, his d.o.b. is Dec. 21, 1859 - so, probably 9?#>
- Ollie: 8
- Shawn and Erin (twins): 9 - <#ann: if they are 9 when they arrive in 1865, shouldn't they be 13 in 1869? #> <#kate: I know Kel was aiming to have folks be around the same age - so maybe he meant 9 in 1869 in the above? I don't really care, but in terms of meeting people it's definitely different to meet a 9 than a 13 year old, and I find it weird that Shawn would follow around Callahan if he's that much older#> **Kate is right with the intent to have everyone around the same age. So 9? My brain is broken when it comes to this.** <#kate: Okay - so to conclude, Erin and Shawn are 9 in 1869. #>
- Valerie: 8 - acts very mature.
Mrs. Black starts up the orphanage, and likes "raising the children" but at some point after Ella comes, the Black realize that they don't really have the money to keep it going. For that reason, they stop looking for "new" children, and just deal with the ones that they have.
<#kate: 6. You mention Erin's particularly cute (Ollie apparently is too). Is there any effort to get these kids into real homes? #>
**This is just me, but I don't see a particular push for adoption.**
<#kate: 7. You mention Louis being willing to teach kids to read / write. I feel like Ella gets inspired because she finds the music (see her description on the timeline page). Are these teachings like lessons too? Like there's a time and place for it Ella would note and be able to jump in on or something to ask about? #>
**Louis just does it after dinner, reading to the children, having them read him recipes and things.**
<#kate: 8. Maybe much will be clarified if we could work out how the lessons work. I would think they'd happen daily, maybe after morning chores, and Elizabeth would teach them. The whole schooling aspect just strikes me as odd given that they're supposed to be little worker bees. Perhaps that's just me... #>
<#ann: Kate, I'm confused why you think the schooling aspect is odd given that they're worker bees. They aren't being schooled, that's the point. Louis just sort of shows the kids who are interested when they ask, rather than having a formal school time. I'd imagine that some days all the kids want some lessons, other days everyone is too tired, and on most days only a couple kids bother, though, as always, Kelly can correct me if I'm wrong in my understanding. #>
<#kate: This is pretty irrelevant a clarification now, but that was my point: They are worker bees which shouldn't include being schooled unless more randomly by Louis I believe the below contradicts this, which is 100% fine, but that was why I brought it up for discussion. #>
**I think Ann has it right, there are no direct lessons unless a child shows some sort of talent or aptitude.**
**No schooling, see above**
<#jonah: I disagree - the documents describing the history of orphanages were pretty clear that education //was// a priority!
From [[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QxFX5tGrH4XJMDHaosts29tKv2vn3BREz51RyQuo5Fc/edit?pli=1 Orphanages]] (posted earlier by Kate):
By the mid-nineteenth century education was emphasized over work, and middle-class women, who dedicated their time to nurturing their children and doing charity work, were actively involved in social issues pertaining to children. They played an important part in the antebellum reform movement, from the 1830s to 1860s. The reformers, responding to growing urban poverty and influenced by the transcendentalists, sought to provide shelter and education in the midst of nature for orphaned, neglected, abused, abandoned, and delinquent children.
They believed that separating children from adults in almshouses, placing them in institutions in rural areas, structuring their activities, and educating them would turn them into good citizens. For children who had already experienced a life of vice in the city, the reformers established industrial homes, houses of refuge, and reformatories with an emphasis on work and vocational education. The innocent poor–orphaned, abandoned, and neglected children–were educated in orphanages. Some institutions were defined by gender and others had age restrictions. By 1860 orphanages could be found in almost all states of the union. Only a few new states, and small states without urban centers, did not have any orphanages.
I'm ok if we want to make this into the orphanage from Annie or Oliver Twist, but since I know that some folks have an affection for keeping things accurate, I feel like we should give the Blacks some credit and let them run this orphanage under a philosophy similar to what's described above as "industrial homes" with "vocational education". That, to me, would certainly mean lessons in reading and writing, and math lessons as well.
Adding Needs for opinions on the question of education: #>
**Okay thats fair. I think they are getting plenty of "vocational" education, they get on the job training of cooking and cleaning basically. I am okay with them getting lessons as well, but none of the current characters are really set up to teach them. I will have to think how I am going to handle this NPC wise.
Also I am curious to how other people feel about this.
My gut is that a teacher (paid for by the Blacks) is brought in to teach the kids during the slow part of the day (10ish post checkout till 3 when guests start coming in...)**
<#kate: I'm cool with being schooled or not, whatever floats. If so, why can't Elizabeth teach them? She gets them up, they work until breakfast, do a lesson during breakfast (eat and write their letters or whatever), work, lesson 2 of the day maybe with a mid-day snack, work again, dinner, lesson, bed?#>
<#court: I like the idea of Elizabeth doing something formal, and Louis doing his ad hoc thing. Works for me! #>
<#bill: I'm generally in favor of the the realistic, until there's a good (read: fun) reason to deviate. So if education is the norm, then I say let's do it. But if someone's got an idea about how less education could lead to a good story/more fun, then I say we make history whatever we want it to be. Otherwise, I have no preference. #>
**Okay lets go with Elizabeth teaching. It means that the teaching cannot progress too much past basic reading and writing and math, since Elizabeth is not super educated herself but at least gives the kids the basics.**
<#kate: Just being detail oriented, but I wanted to shoot this out there as an "average" day for these kids so I can picture it better in my head. Amend, comment, argue and all that:
Weekdays: (Monday thru Saturday)
5:00 am Wake up
5:15-10:00 am Work (prepping breakfast, cleaning, etc.)
10:00**-10:30** am Breakfast
**10:30-11:30** am Lessons with Elizabeth
11:30-2:00 pm Work (prepping lunch, cleaning, etc.)
2:00-4:00 pm Lessons with Elizabeth
4:00-8:00 pm Work (prepping dinner, cleaning, etc.)
8:00 pm Dinner (crust in hand)
8:15-9:15 pm Lessons with Louis
9:15 pm "Bed" (i.e. go upstairs and don't cause me (Lizzy) problems) #>
**Changed some times**
<#kate: Sunday:
5:00 am Wake up
5:15-9:00 am Work (prepping breakfast, cleaning, etc.)
9:00-9:15 am Clean up and Breakfast
9:15-9:30 am Walk to Church <#bill: - the children are lead, all tied together with a piece of rope#>
10:00-11:00 am Church Service
**11:00-5 - Free time**
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11:15-3:00 pm Work (prepping lunch, cleaning, etc.)
3:00-4:00 pm Lunch / Lessons with Elizabeth
4:00-8:00 pm Work (prepping dinner, cleaning, etc.)++
**5:00 - 8:00pm Work (Prep dinner, clean, etc)**
8:00-8:30 pm Sit down dinner
8:30-9:15 pm Lessons with Louis
9:15 pm "Bed" (i.e. go upstairs and don't cause me (Lizzy) problems) #>
- Bill
**Pick beds. Ann's up next, then I'll go fill in more NPCs and so on.**
<#kate: This might need to wait until folks figure out more stuff but Jonah's answer above made me wonder who among the NPCs / PCs might be of the sneaking out inclination? I'm guessing Minnie, Valerie (unless it's to the cemetery), and Erin are nos, and I'd think Jefferson and Deco would fit into this too although they might be convinced. Ella's obviously a yes and it seems Callahan and Shawn would be too. How about the others?#>
<#court: Jeanne would be of a mind to sneak out, as long as she had a reason, be it to rebel or to support anyone she ends up bonding with. #>
<#jonah: Ollie might well be convinced as well. If there was excitement to be had, he'd be in. If you were sneaking out to do something he found "boooooring" he might just skip... or come anyway. #>
<#bill: Cole is motivated by two main things: Curiosity and a lust for adventure. So, if either it seemed like an adventure (probable) or it seemed that there was something new or interesting to see or learn, he'd be first in line to sneak out. Like Ollie, if he thought the purported goal was boring, he might not bother to risk the punishment. #>
**So it sounds like the list of sneakers thus far is:
1) Callahan
2) Shawn
3) Ella
4) Ollie
5) Cole
6) Jeanne
7) Celeste**
<#kate: Are there other instruments in the hotel? maybe with Abner (like a harmonica, guitar, whatever)? I feel like Ella'd jump on any she can get her hands on. #>
**There are various guests that come though that may have things, Abner has several noise making things (a flute, a harmonica, etc) but there are no other instruments in the hotel.**
<#kate: How are the kids tied together for Church? By the waist? Wrist? In my mind I see them lined up by height for some reason and then lassoed. #>
**They are tied around the waist, I dont think they worry too much about height.**
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[[NOAnswered Answered discussion questions and other details removed from the Scaffold page]]
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NeedsKelly - to pick beds for Erin and Shawn
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6) Jeanne
7) Celeste**
7) Celeste**
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10:00**-10:30** am Breakfast
**10:30-11:30** am Lessons with Elizabeth
11:30-2:00 pm Work (prepping lunch, cleaning, etc.)
2:00-4:00 pm Lessons with Elizabeth
**Changed some times**
**11:00-5 - Free time**
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4:00-8:00 pm Work (prepping dinner, cleaning, etc.)++
**5:00 - 8:00pm Work (Prep dinner, clean, etc)**
**So it sounds like the list of sneakers thus far is:
1) Callahan
2) Shawn
3) Ella
4) Ollie
5) Cole
6) Jeanne**
**There are various guests that come though that may have things, Abner has several noise making things (a flute, a harmonica, etc) but there are no other instruments in the hotel.**
**They are tied around the waist, I dont think they worry too much about height.**
**sounds good to me**
**Louis would most certainly bake people a cake (small) on their birthdays.**
**Something that comes up later. Mr. Black gives each child a gift when they leave the orphanage. We are not there yet but it will be something that comes up eventually.**
**10:30-11:30** am Lessons with Elizabeth
11:30-2:00 pm Work (prepping lunch, cleaning, etc.)
2:00-4:00 pm Lessons with Elizabeth
**Changed some times**
**11:00-5 - Free time**
++
4:00-8:00 pm Work (prepping dinner, cleaning, etc.)++
**5:00 - 8:00pm Work (Prep dinner, clean, etc)**
**So it sounds like the list of sneakers thus far is:
1) Callahan
2) Shawn
3) Ella
4) Ollie
5) Cole
6) Jeanne**
**There are various guests that come though that may have things, Abner has several noise making things (a flute, a harmonica, etc) but there are no other instruments in the hotel.**
**They are tied around the waist, I dont think they worry too much about height.**
**sounds good to me**
**Louis would most certainly bake people a cake (small) on their birthdays.**
**Something that comes up later. Mr. Black gives each child a gift when they leave the orphanage. We are not there yet but it will be something that comes up eventually.**
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10:15-11:15 am Lessons with Elizabeth
3:00-4:00 pm Lessons with Elizabeth
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Adding Needs for opinions on the question of education: #>
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||Bed 10 - Celeste||Bed 11 - Name?||
- Bill
- Bill
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- Bill
<#ann: I don't want to pick a bed until I've met the other orphans, because if I'm instant bffs with one of them (unlikely) or totally hate one of them (also unlikely, but you never know), that's going to affect where I want to sleep. Maybe I'm overthinking it, but that's just who I am.#>
**okay**
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9:15-9:30 am Walk to Church <#bill: - the children are lead, all tied together with a piece of rope#>
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Mrs. Black starts up the orphanage, and likes "raising the children" but at some point after Ella comes, the Black realize that they don't really have the money to keep it going. For that reason, they stop looking for "new" children, and just deal with the ones that they have.
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<#bill: Question: Normally, I'd think that orphanage have a relatively steady ebb and flow of children. Children come in...children age out and leave...children come in. The way we have it set up and it seems all of the children at the orphanage (not just the PCs) are about the same age and there's no older children leaving while younger/newer children enter. That may be just a practical issue...I can see having to create enough NPCs for 10 years in people coming and going being a lot of work for Kel. But I wanted to ask: 1) Is that on purpose? 2) If so, is there an in-game reason for it? (like the orphanage just opened up recently and this is the first crop of kids?) #>
**You are absolutely correct that it is a pratical thing, that creating 30+ NPCs to keep the orphanage stocked, would break Kelly's tiny little mind.
The in game justification is that Mrs. Black starts up the orphanage, and likes "raising the children" but at some point after Ella comes to realize that they dont really have the money to keep this up. So they stop looking for "new" children, and just deal with the ones that they have.**
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===NPC Descriptions===
Please go to [[NONpcs NPC's Page]]to see a list of the NPCs and links to their individual pages with descriptions.
<#bill: Kel, I hadn't done that because the original goal was more to remove completed discussions - while leaving the established facts. But since you asked I'm happy to do it. I don't think everything has been transferred over...but I'll go through add to the NPCs' pages as appropriate. #>
A list of NPC's in the New Orleans Game
<#bill: Cole is motivated by two main things: Curiosity and a lust for adventure. So, if either it seemed like an adventure (probable) or it seemed that there was something new or interesting to see or learn, he'd be first in line to sneak out. Like Ollie, if he thought the purported goal was boring, he might not bother to risk the punishment. #>
<#bill: Cole is religion curious...but he's a kid so he does get bored. When he's very young, he like the part of the bible that are interesting stories (like the Flood). When he's older he becomes more intellectual about it...but true father never really takes hold. #>
Please go to [[NONpcs NPC's Page]]to see a list of the NPCs and links to their individual pages with descriptions.
<#bill: Kel, I hadn't done that because the original goal was more to remove completed discussions - while leaving the established facts. But since you asked I'm happy to do it. I don't think everything has been transferred over...but I'll go through add to the NPCs' pages as appropriate. #>
A list of NPC's in the New Orleans Game
<#bill: Cole is motivated by two main things: Curiosity and a lust for adventure. So, if either it seemed like an adventure (probable) or it seemed that there was something new or interesting to see or learn, he'd be first in line to sneak out. Like Ollie, if he thought the purported goal was boring, he might not bother to risk the punishment. #>
<#bill: Cole is religion curious...but he's a kid so he does get bored. When he's very young, he like the part of the bible that are interesting stories (like the Flood). When he's older he becomes more intellectual about it...but true father never really takes hold. #>
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<#bill: Kel, I hadn't done that because the original goal was more to remove completed discussions - while leaving the established facts. But since you asked I'm happy to do it. I don't think everything has been transferred over...but I'll go through add to the NPCs' pages as appropriate.
<#bill: does anyone mind if I clean this page up a bit? My OCD is kicking in... Seems to me we can remove certain things like - the conversation about a balcony (that's resolved - we've got one), like the conversation about a piano (that's resolved - we've got one), like the conversation about siblings (that's resolved - I'd leave the link to the siblings page, but we know Courtney and Jonah are the only PC sibs). If no one has any objections I'd like to stream line this page a bit...#>
<#jonah: Go for it! #>
**I'm fine with whatever.**
<#kate: I'd like to make a separate page for some of the "answered" questions rather than them just deleted. It's been my experience having stuff in writing is better in case it needs to be referenced. So how about sticking whatever you want to remove here: [[NOAnswered]] #>
<#bill: The idea wasn't to //just// delete them, so much as retain the facts/conclusion/answers here - incorporate them onto the page appropriately - and remove the extraneous things. I know...what's extraneous is a matter of opinion. But I went ahead and moved stuff over to your page. Hopefully you find the organizing/consolidating I did acceptable. #>
<#bill: I have a question about...well, questions like this. The orphanage is really 'pre-game' but we are doing many things in order and rping certain things (like arrivals). So, I'm torn as to whether we are just sharing everything with each other or if we're letting it come out (or not) in the flow of things. I'll note Courtney answered this question, but to a question about why she and Jonah arrive separately she suggested it come out during the flow of everything. Just thought maybe we should all get on the same page. I can go either way or do a hybrid. Thoughts? #>
**Umm, I don't know why there needs to be a giant process with this, I think the combo of some summary, some rp'd event, some timeline has been great so far. I don't see whats broken, or needs fixing?**
<#jonah: Bill, I think a hybrid approach where people reveal what they want, and keep secret what they want, is probably what's best. We've already got that going, so I don't think we need to change. #>
NeedsAnn
NeedsBill
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<#bill: Kel, I hadn't done that because the original goal was more to remove completed discussions - while leaving the established facts. But since you asked I'm happy to do it. I don't think everything has been transferred over...but I'll go through add to the NPCs' pages as appropriate.
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The children have little interaction with Mr. Black. He is a stern man, tall and thin, with gray edges to his dark black hair. He smokes a pipe and likes to keep to himself. He drinks in the evenings, and generally seems sour and sad. He never talks with the children.
Rose is a very devout Christian and attends Church every Sunday, and participates in all the Church functions. (Church name needed). She insists that all the children attend Sunday service with her. She is the reason that the Orphanage is open, and she wants to make sure to save the children's souls.
The children are lead to church all tied together with some rope (to keep them together) they are sat in the back and prayed at.
After Church, Sunday afternoon is the only real "free time" besides evenings that the children have. They are left a bit to their own devices. They are however expected to be in at 6 sharp (if the last bell rings and your not home, you are in BIG trouble) for Sunday Dinner. The staff and the children eat together that one meal. The staff and children eat in a small side room, the Black's and the guests ear in the large hotel dining room.
Other meals, the children are fed in the kitchen after the staff have eaten, 8pm (by the church bells) then off to bed.
The children all sleep in the same room, at the top of the stairs in the orphanage, the bedroom has a single window, which can be used to access the tower, otherwise the window looks out over the cemetery.
The Hotel was used by Confederate Soldiers as a way station during the war. Mr. Black is a strong Confederate supporter, and a Confederate flag hangs in the Black's apartment. There is a piano in the Hotel parlor.
[[TheStJamesOrphanage The Saint James Orphanage]] is attached to the hotel via a small dirty alley, which is the path the children workers take to the hotel early each morning. The Blacks live in an apartment in the hotel.
Rose, much like her name loves flowers, she maintains a sizable garden, one of the children's jobs is to tend the garden there. She displays her flowers on the front desk of the hotel, and everywhere else she can. When the garden is not producing, she pays an exorbitant sum to have flowers brought in.
Rumors is that the Blacks had two children a boy and a girl, its unclear what happened to them, the staff doesn't know or doesn't say. There are pictures of several people who look like the Blacks on the mantle in the den of the Black's apartment, but it is unclear if they are relatives or children. (Children being children can feel free to make up what they think the truth is.)
A long time ago, the Orphanage and the Hotel were a church complex, and it gate still is attached to a small cemetery. The only bit of the Church that remains is what used to be the bell tower, the bells are long gone but the tall spiral tower remains attached to the Orphanage. By crawling out of one of the upstairs windows, and along the rooftop the children can reach the tower which still has a small room where the bells used to be. From this room they can overlook most of the city and hear music floating in from downtown.
The head of the staff is [[MartinFrench Mr. Martin French]]. He is a short stout man that is all muscle. He's bald with a thick black beard and a loud voice and smile. He shows up to work every day in his fine pressed tuxedo. He is very proud of his job. He interacts with the children, calling them his "little soldiers." He is not mean, but expects the children to do the jobs they are assigned and is not afraid of beating children who misbehave, or slack off in their duties. As a policy each child is beaten their first day so that they "know what it feels like."
It is unlikely that his last name is actually French, but he does speak fluent French, and will use it to converse with the the Creole staff. He was an officer during the war, and has some wartime connections to Mr. Black, but he does not speak of it. He is very reverent of Mr. Black and will never speak ill of him.
<#bill: Question: The description above says that "French" is probably not really is last name - that's why I didn't make him a page when I was making pages for the Blacks et al. I take it, we've decided that French is actually his last name? Does that mean we can remove that outdated part of the text? Will we eventually get a last name for Nora? Or is she like Madonna? #>
**Nora has no last name based on her life as a slave.
I dont know where you got that assumption Bill but it would be wrong.
No one ever calls "Mr. French" by any other last name, but the Black's never call him that, they call him Martin. It is common knowledge that Mr. French, is not his correct last name, but it is unknown to the PCs what his real last name is.**
The Chef, [[LouisLavinie Louis Lavinie]], is the only other white staff member. A huge fat man he has a jolly laugh and thick red hair. He claims to have been "classically" trained but has no "proof" other than that his food is tasty. He loves the children, and is constantly sneaking them treats and things (much to the chagrin of Mr. French). Louis can read and write and teaches any interested children the same skills. (Anyone who is interested would learn the basics from Louis, and then once they showed the aptitude, would be given jobs (signing in guests etc) to improve their skills.) Other than on the job training, Sunday School, and lessons from Louis the children have no other formal education.
[[Nora]], a willowy black woman is the head maid. She was Mr. Black's slave, and still basically is in all but name. He treats her well and she runs the house and hotel in the shadow of Mr. French. Mr. French is big and vocal, the face of the hotel, and is "in charge" but the place really dances to the beat of Nora. She believes good help is doing things before people realize they need to be done, and that includes whipping the children if necessary. Cross Mr. French and you earn a beating and lack of supper. Cross Nora and your life is hell, and the children know it. They don't so much hate her as they do fear her. Her word is law, but as long as you do your job and stay on her good side all doors will remain open for you.
[[ElizabethClark Elizabeth Clark]], the matron, is the person the children interact with the most. She is employed by Mrs. Black to do the real work involved with running the orphanage. Keeping the children clothed and fed, putting them to bed, caring for them when they are sick, all these tasks fall to Elizabeth, or Mrs. Lizzy as the children sometimes call her. She lives and sleeps in a small room underneath the loft where the children sleep, acting as both a caretaker and a prison guard. She is not cruel to the children, but this is a job for her and she treats it like one. She is very even handed with the children and by the nature of Nora and Mr. French ends up being the good cop more often than not. She is not above spanking and punishments, but at the end of the day, the children's best interest are in the forefront of her mind. She is a large (big, tall and muscular, not fat) creole woman, with a big laugh. She and Louis flirt a lot but nothing more appears to come of that, otherwise she spends her nights alone. If she is not actively dealing with the children (when they are at work, for example) she acts as a maid / laundrywoman. The linens and other sundries are stored in the large open area under the loft where the children sleep.
[[AbnerHayes Abner Hayes]]
Note: There are between seven and twelve at the orphanage at any given time.
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- (Kel) organize the characters into a minimal timeline, and set up shell events to get the role playing started. **[[NOTimelineOrphanage Orphanage Timeline]]**
- Shawn and Erin (twins): 9 - <#ann: if they are 9 when they arrive in 1865, shouldn't they be 13 in 1869? #> <#kate: I know Kel was aiming to have folks be around the same age - so maybe he meant 9 in 1869 in the above? I don't really care, but in terms of meeting people it's definitely different to meet a 9 than a 13 year old, and I find it weird that Shawn would follow around Callahan if he's that much older#> **Kate is right with the intent to have everyone around the same age. So 9? My brain is broken when it comes to this.** <#kate: Okay - so to conclude, Erin and Shawn are 9 in 1869. #>
<#kate: Just being detail oriented, but I wanted to shoot this out there as an "average" day for these kids so I can picture it better in my head. Amend, comment, argue and all that:
Weekdays: (Monday thru Saturday)
5:00 am Wake up
5:15-10:00 am Work (prepping breakfast, cleaning, etc.)
10:00 am Breakfast
10:15-11:15 am Lessons with Elizabeth
11:15-3:00 pm Work (prepping lunch, cleaning, etc.)
3:00-4:00 pm Lessons with Elizabeth
4:00-8:00 pm Work (prepping dinner, cleaning, etc.)
8:00 pm Dinner (crust in hand)
8:15-9:15 pm Lessons with Louis
9:15 pm "Bed" (i.e. go upstairs and don't cause me (Lizzy) problems) #>
<#kate: Sunday:
5:00 am Wake up
5:15-9:00 am Work (prepping breakfast, cleaning, etc.)
9:00-9:15 am Clean up and Breakfast
9:15-9:30 am Walk to Church
10:00-11:00 am Church Service
11:15-3:00 pm Work (prepping lunch, cleaning, etc.)
3:00-4:00 pm Lunch / Lessons with Elizabeth
4:00-8:00 pm Work (prepping dinner, cleaning, etc.)
8:00-8:30 pm Sit down dinner
8:30-9:15 pm Lessons with Louis
9:15 pm "Bed" (i.e. go upstairs and don't cause me (Lizzy) problems) #>
- Shawn and Erin (twins): 9 - <#ann: if they are 9 when they arrive in 1865, shouldn't they be 13 in 1869? #> <#kate: I know Kel was aiming to have folks be around the same age - so maybe he meant 9 in 1869 in the above? I don't really care, but in terms of meeting people it's definitely different to meet a 9 than a 13 year old, and I find it weird that Shawn would follow around Callahan if he's that much older#> **Kate is right with the intent to have everyone around the same age. So 9? My brain is broken when it comes to this.** <#kate: Okay - so to conclude, Erin and Shawn are 9 in 1869. #>
<#kate: Just being detail oriented, but I wanted to shoot this out there as an "average" day for these kids so I can picture it better in my head. Amend, comment, argue and all that:
Weekdays: (Monday thru Saturday)
5:00 am Wake up
5:15-10:00 am Work (prepping breakfast, cleaning, etc.)
10:00 am Breakfast
10:15-11:15 am Lessons with Elizabeth
11:15-3:00 pm Work (prepping lunch, cleaning, etc.)
3:00-4:00 pm Lessons with Elizabeth
4:00-8:00 pm Work (prepping dinner, cleaning, etc.)
8:00 pm Dinner (crust in hand)
8:15-9:15 pm Lessons with Louis
9:15 pm "Bed" (i.e. go upstairs and don't cause me (Lizzy) problems) #>
<#kate: Sunday:
5:00 am Wake up
5:15-9:00 am Work (prepping breakfast, cleaning, etc.)
9:00-9:15 am Clean up and Breakfast
9:15-9:30 am Walk to Church
10:00-11:00 am Church Service
11:15-3:00 pm Work (prepping lunch, cleaning, etc.)
3:00-4:00 pm Lunch / Lessons with Elizabeth
4:00-8:00 pm Work (prepping dinner, cleaning, etc.)
8:00-8:30 pm Sit down dinner
8:30-9:15 pm Lessons with Louis
9:15 pm "Bed" (i.e. go upstairs and don't cause me (Lizzy) problems) #>
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- Shawn and Erin (twins): 9 - <#ann: if they are 9 when they arrive in 1865, shouldn't they be 13 in 1869? #> <#kate: I know Kel was aiming to have folks be around the same age - so maybe he meant 9 in 1869 in the above? I don't really care, but in terms of meeting people it's definitely different to meet a 9 than a 13 year old, and I find it weird that Shawn would follow around Callahan if he's that much older#> **Kate is right with the intent to have everyone around the same age. So 9? My brain is broken when it comes to this.**
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<#jonah: Ollie might well be convinced as well. If there was excitement to be had, he'd be in. If you were sneaking out to do something he found "boooooring" he might just skip... or come anyway. #>
<#jonah: Bill, I think a hybrid approach where people reveal what they want, and keep secret what they want, is probably what's best. We've already got that going, so I don't think we need to change. #>
<#jonah: Bill, I think a hybrid approach where people reveal what they want, and keep secret what they want, is probably what's best. We've already got that going, so I don't think we need to change. #>
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**Umm, I don't know why there needs to be a giant process with this, I think the combo of some summary, some rp'd event, some timeline has been great so far. I don't see whats broken, or needs fixing?**
<#kate: Cool. Perhaps for the folks with birthdays, we can have little "events" like we did in BC. I imagine that it's something everyone can look forward to and there seem few and far between. #>
<#kate: Another thing to think about - New Orleans has lots of storms, including the following that really happened: [[https://docs.google.com/document/d/19y2w4gEznYF9hlKDwXAuDaLYsKEnDSZYA15cFIePu0s/edit New Orleans Storms 1865-1879]]. I'm not sure how historically accurate we need to be, but I thought I would bring it up before adding anything to the timeline. #>
<#kate: Cool. Perhaps for the folks with birthdays, we can have little "events" like we did in BC. I imagine that it's something everyone can look forward to and there seem few and far between. #>
<#kate: Another thing to think about - New Orleans has lots of storms, including the following that really happened: [[https://docs.google.com/document/d/19y2w4gEznYF9hlKDwXAuDaLYsKEnDSZYA15cFIePu0s/edit New Orleans Storms 1865-1879]]. I'm not sure how historically accurate we need to be, but I thought I would bring it up before adding anything to the timeline. #>
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**(Bill since you are clean up guy. Dide you want to clean up this section? I think most of it was copied already to the NONpcs page)**
<#bill: Question: The description above says that "French" is probably not really is last name - that's why I didn't make him a page when I was making pages for the Blacks et al. I take it, we've decided that French is actually his last name? Does that mean we can remove that outdated part of the text? Will we eventually get a last name for Nora? Or is she like Madonna? #>
**Nora has no last name based on her life as a slave.
I dont know where you got that assumption Bill but it would be wrong.
No one ever calls "Mr. French" by any other last name, but the Black's never call him that, they call him Martin. It is common knowledge that Mr. French, is not his correct last name, but it is unknown to the PCs what his real last name is.**
**Mr. French is not much of a teacher, but he would use French if it was clear that Ollie (or anyone) didnt speak English.**
**Its in progress. The idea is to have stuff to drop in, once characters establish they are doing things other characters and figure out if they are involved and things can evolve and change. I have the core characters dealing with stuff. If it later turns out that Cole would be involved with the event then we will alter it.
In the same way I would be happy to have Cole having an event where he goes hunting with Abner and Callahan if you think that would happen, and then we will evolve it if other PCs feel they would be invovled.
I dont see what the problem is.**
- Shawn and Erin (twins): 9 - <#ann: if they are 9 when they arrive in 1865, shouldn't they be 13 in 1869? #> <#kate: I know Kel was aiming to have folks be around the same age - so maybe he meant 9 in 1869 in the above? I don't really care, but in terms of meeting people it's definitely different to meet a 9 than a 13 year old, and I find it weird that Shawn would follow around Callahan if he's that much older#> **Kate is right with the intent to have everyone around the same age. So 9? My brain is broken when it comes to this.**
<#bill: Question: Normally, I'd think that orphanage have a relatively steady ebb and flow of children. Children come in...children age out and leave...children come in. The way we have it set up and it seems all of the children at the orphanage (not just the PCs) are about the same age and there's no older children leaving while younger/newer children enter. That may be just a practical issue...I can see having to create enough NPCs for 10 years in people coming and going being a lot of work for Kel. But I wanted to ask: 1) Is that on purpose? 2) If so, is there an in-game reason for it? (like the orphanage just opened up recently and this is the first crop of kids?) #>
**You are absolutely correct that it is a pratical thing, that creating 30+ NPCs to keep the orphanage stocked, would break Kelly's tiny little mind.
The in game justification is that Mrs. Black starts up the orphanage, and likes "raising the children" but at some point after Ella comes to realize that they dont really have the money to keep this up. So they stop looking for "new" children, and just deal with the ones that they have.**
**Okay lets go with Elizabeth teaching. It means that the teaching cannot progress too much past basic reading and writing and math, since Elizabeth is not super educated herself but at least gives the kids the basics.**
**Umm, I dont know why there needs to be a giant process with this, I think the combo of some summary, some rp'd event, some timeline has been great so far. I dont see whats broken, or needs fixing?**
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<#bill: Question: The description above says that "French" is probably not really is last name - that's why I didn't make him a page when I was making pages for the Blacks et al. I take it, we've decided that French is actually his last name? Does that mean we can remove that outdated part of the text? Will we eventually get a last name for Nora? Or is she like Madonna? #>
**Nora has no last name based on her life as a slave.
I dont know where you got that assumption Bill but it would be wrong.
No one ever calls "Mr. French" by any other last name, but the Black's never call him that, they call him Martin. It is common knowledge that Mr. French, is not his correct last name, but it is unknown to the PCs what his real last name is.**
**Mr. French is not much of a teacher, but he would use French if it was clear that Ollie (or anyone) didnt speak English.**
**Its in progress. The idea is to have stuff to drop in, once characters establish they are doing things other characters and figure out if they are involved and things can evolve and change. I have the core characters dealing with stuff. If it later turns out that Cole would be involved with the event then we will alter it.
In the same way I would be happy to have Cole having an event where he goes hunting with Abner and Callahan if you think that would happen, and then we will evolve it if other PCs feel they would be invovled.
I dont see what the problem is.**
- Shawn and Erin (twins): 9 - <#ann: if they are 9 when they arrive in 1865, shouldn't they be 13 in 1869? #> <#kate: I know Kel was aiming to have folks be around the same age - so maybe he meant 9 in 1869 in the above? I don't really care, but in terms of meeting people it's definitely different to meet a 9 than a 13 year old, and I find it weird that Shawn would follow around Callahan if he's that much older#> **Kate is right with the intent to have everyone around the same age. So 9? My brain is broken when it comes to this.**
<#bill: Question: Normally, I'd think that orphanage have a relatively steady ebb and flow of children. Children come in...children age out and leave...children come in. The way we have it set up and it seems all of the children at the orphanage (not just the PCs) are about the same age and there's no older children leaving while younger/newer children enter. That may be just a practical issue...I can see having to create enough NPCs for 10 years in people coming and going being a lot of work for Kel. But I wanted to ask: 1) Is that on purpose? 2) If so, is there an in-game reason for it? (like the orphanage just opened up recently and this is the first crop of kids?) #>
**You are absolutely correct that it is a pratical thing, that creating 30+ NPCs to keep the orphanage stocked, would break Kelly's tiny little mind.
The in game justification is that Mrs. Black starts up the orphanage, and likes "raising the children" but at some point after Ella comes to realize that they dont really have the money to keep this up. So they stop looking for "new" children, and just deal with the ones that they have.**
**Okay lets go with Elizabeth teaching. It means that the teaching cannot progress too much past basic reading and writing and math, since Elizabeth is not super educated herself but at least gives the kids the basics.**
**Umm, I dont know why there needs to be a giant process with this, I think the combo of some summary, some rp'd event, some timeline has been great so far. I dont see whats broken, or needs fixing?**
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- Shawn and Erin (twins): 9 - <#ann: if they are 9 when they arrive in 1865, shouldn't they be 13 in 1869? #> <#kate: I know Kel was aiming to have folks be around the same age - so maybe he meant 9 in 1869 in the above? I don't really care, but in terms of meeting people it's definitely different to meet a 9 than a 13 year old, and I find it weird that Shawn would follow around Callahan if he's that much older#> NeedsKelly
<#bill: Question: Normally, I'd think that orphanage have a relatively steady ebb and flow of children. Children come in...children age out and leave...children come in. The way we have it set up and it seems all of the children at the orphanage (not just the PCs) are about the same age and there's no older children leaving while younger/newer children enter. That may be just a practical issue...I can see having to create enough NPCs for 10 years in people coming and going being a lot of work for Kel. But I wanted to ask: 1) Is that on purpose? 2) If so, is there an in-game reason for it? (like the orphanage just opened up recently and this is the first crop of kids?) #> NeedsKelly
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<#ann: I'm down with that. Celeste is Catholic, so she'll fit right in.#>
<#ann: Celeste knows her birthday too.#>
<#ann: Celeste knows her birthday too.#>
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<#bill: Question: Normally, I'd think that orphanage have a relatively steady ebb and flow of children. Children come in...children age out and leave...children come in. The way we have it set up and it seems all of the children at the orphanage (not just the PCs) are about the same age and there's no older children leaving while younger/newer children enter. That may be just a practical issue...I can see having to create enough NPCs for 10 years in people coming and going being a lot of work for Kel. But I wanted to ask: 1) Is that on purpose? 2) If so, is there an in-game reason for it? (like the orphanage just opened up recently and this is the first crop of kids?) #> NeedsKelly
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The Hotel was used by Confederate Soldiers as a way station during the war. Mr. Black is a strong Confederate supporter, and a Confederate flag hangs in the Black's apartment. There is a piano in the Hotel parlor.
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The Hotel was used by Confederate Soldiers as a way station during the war. Mr. Black is a strong Confederate supporter, and a Confederate flag hangs in the Black's apartment. There is a in the Hotel parlor.
<#bill: Maybe I missed something...Why is there a piano event already? It seems premature as I'm not sure we can say who is there or not. #>
<#bill: Maybe I missed something...Why is there a piano event already? It seems premature as I'm not sure we can say who is there or not. #>
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<#bill: I have a question about...well, questions like this. The orphanage is really 'pre-game' but we are doing many things in order and rping certain things (like arrivals). So, I'm torn as to whether we are just sharing everything with each other or if we're letting it come out (or not) in the flow of things. I'll note Courtney answered this question, but to a question about why she and Jonah arrive separately she suggested it come out during the flow of everything. Just thought maybe we should all get on the same page. I can go either way or do a hybrid. Thoughts? #>
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- Shawn and Erin (twins): 9 - <#ann: if they are 9 when they arrive in 1865, shouldn't they be 13 in 1869? #> <#kate: I know Kel was aiming to have folks be around the same age - so maybe he meant 9 in 1869 in the above? I don't really care, but in terms of meeting people it's definitely different to meet a 9 than a 13 year old, and I find it weird that Shawn would follow around Callahan if he's that much older#> NeedsKelly
- Valerie: 8 - acts very mature.
Adding Needs for opinions on the question of education: NeedsAnn #>
<#bill: I'm generally in favor of the the realistic, until there's a good (read: fun) reason to deviate. So if education is the norm, then I say let's do it. But if someone's got an idea about how less education could lead to a good story/more fun, then I say we make history whatever we want it to be. Otherwise, I have no preference. #>
<#bill: The idea wasn't to //just// delete them, so much as retain the facts/conclusion/answers here - incorporate them onto the page appropriately - and remove the extraneous things. I know...what's extraneous is a matter of opinion. But I went ahead and moved stuff over to your page. Hopefully you find the organizing/consolidating I did acceptable. #>
<#bill: I will note that Cole definitely knows his exact birth date. In fact, it is an occasion he marks/celebrates each year - either publicly or privately depending on how it's handled in the orphanage/orphanage culture regarding birthdays. #>
- Valerie: 8 - acts very mature.
Adding Needs for opinions on the question of education: NeedsAnn #>
<#bill: I'm generally in favor of the the realistic, until there's a good (read: fun) reason to deviate. So if education is the norm, then I say let's do it. But if someone's got an idea about how less education could lead to a good story/more fun, then I say we make history whatever we want it to be. Otherwise, I have no preference. #>
<#bill: The idea wasn't to //just// delete them, so much as retain the facts/conclusion/answers here - incorporate them onto the page appropriately - and remove the extraneous things. I know...what's extraneous is a matter of opinion. But I went ahead and moved stuff over to your page. Hopefully you find the organizing/consolidating I did acceptable. #>
<#bill: I will note that Cole definitely knows his exact birth date. In fact, it is an occasion he marks/celebrates each year - either publicly or privately depending on how it's handled in the orphanage/orphanage culture regarding birthdays. #>
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<#kate: a. Deco arrives in 1866 at "a very young age" - like 3? 5? #>
**I'll reserve rights to change things as I sort this out, but Ill make educated guesses.
5 for Deco.**
<#kate: b. Jefferson was left at 6 but you don't mention a year. Any idea on how long he's been there? #>
**A while. Let's say he's 10 when you arrive?**
<#kate: c. Who is older, Erin and Shawn and by how much or are they twins? How old are they when they arrive in 1865?
**They are twins. 9**
<#kate: d. How old is Valerie? #>
**Indeterminate, young but acts very mature. say 8**
<#kate: e. How old is Callahan? #>
**10**
- Shawn and Erin: 9 - <#ann: if they are 9 when they arrive in 1865, shouldn't they be 13 in 1869? #> <#kate: I know Kel was aiming to have folks be around the same age - so maybe he meant 9 in 1869 in the above? I don't really care, but in terms of meeting people it's definitely different to meet a 9 than a 13 year old, and I find it weird that Shawn would follow around Callahan if he's that much older#> NeedsKelly
- Valerie: 8
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====Other Educational and Helpful Links:====
[[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1trMiFR3yc-OZHncEyPu46eYQy65aRASIpjuIswCDIyQ/edit Orphans and Orphanages]]
[[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QxFX5tGrH4XJMDHaosts29tKv2vn3BREz51RyQuo5Fc/edit Orphanages]]
[[http://sites.google.com/site/onlinenewspapersite/Home/usa/la Louisiana Online Historical Newspapers]]
[[Nora]], a willowy black woman is the head maid. She was Mr. Black's slave, and still basically is in all but name. He treats her well and she runs the house and hotel in the shadow of Mr. French. Mr. French is big and vocal, the face of the hotel, and is "in charge" but the place really dances to the beat of Nora. She believes good help is doing things before people realize they need to be done, and that includes whipping the children if necessary. Cross Mr. French and you earn a beating and lack of supper. Cross Nora and your life is hell, and the children know it. They don't so much hate her as they do fear her. Her word is law, but as long as you do your job and stay on her good side all doors will remain open for you.
[[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1trMiFR3yc-OZHncEyPu46eYQy65aRASIpjuIswCDIyQ/edit Orphans and Orphanages]]
[[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QxFX5tGrH4XJMDHaosts29tKv2vn3BREz51RyQuo5Fc/edit Orphanages]]
[[http://sites.google.com/site/onlinenewspapersite/Home/usa/la Louisiana Online Historical Newspapers]]
[[Nora]], a willowy black woman is the head maid. She was Mr. Black's slave, and still basically is in all but name. He treats her well and she runs the house and hotel in the shadow of Mr. French. Mr. French is big and vocal, the face of the hotel, and is "in charge" but the place really dances to the beat of Nora. She believes good help is doing things before people realize they need to be done, and that includes whipping the children if necessary. Cross Mr. French and you earn a beating and lack of supper. Cross Nora and your life is hell, and the children know it. They don't so much hate her as they do fear her. Her word is law, but as long as you do your job and stay on her good side all doors will remain open for you.
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<#bill: Question: The description above says that "French" is probably not really is last name - that's why I didn't make him a page when I was making pages for the Blacks et al. I take it, we've decided that French is actually his last name? Does that mean we can remove that outdated part of the text? Will we eventually get a last name for Nora? Or is she like Madonna? #> NeedsKelly
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[[VincentBlack Vincent]] and [[RoseBlack Rose Black]] run the [[TheStJamesHotel St. James Hotel]]. A large hotel that is in the heart of the French Quarter (Address needed. Adjacent buildings needed.)
The Hotel was used by Confederate Soldiers as a way station during the war. Mr. Black is a strong Confederate supporter, and a Confederate flag hangs in the Black's apartment. There is a piano in the Hotel parlor.
<#bill: Question: The description above says that "French" is probably not really is last name - that's why I didn't make him a page when I was making pages for the Blacks et al. I take it, we've decided that French is actually his last name? Will we eventually get a last name for Nora? Or is she like Madonna? #> NeedsKelly
The Hotel was used by Confederate Soldiers as a way station during the war. Mr. Black is a strong Confederate supporter, and a Confederate flag hangs in the Black's apartment. There is a piano in the Hotel parlor.
<#bill: Question: The description above says that "French" is probably not really is last name - that's why I didn't make him a page when I was making pages for the Blacks et al. I take it, we've decided that French is actually his last name? Will we eventually get a last name for Nora? Or is she like Madonna? #> NeedsKelly
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PCs to choose their beds in order of arrival - with NPCs likewise choosing as appropriate.
[[ElizabethClark Elizabeth Clark]], the matron, is the person the children interact with the most. She is employed by Mrs. Black to do the real work involved with running the orphanage. Keeping the children clothed and fed, putting them to bed, caring for them when they are sick, all these tasks fall to Elizabeth, or Mrs. Lizzy as the children sometimes call her. She lives and sleeps in a small room underneath the loft where the children sleep, acting as both a caretaker and a prison guard. She is not cruel to the children, but this is a job for her and she treats it like one. She is very even handed with the children and by the nature of Nora and Mr. French ends up being the good cop more often than not. She is not above spanking and punishments, but at the end of the day, the children's best interest are in the forefront of her mind. She is a large (big, tall and muscular, not fat) creole woman, with a big laugh. She and Louis flirt a lot but nothing more appears to come of that, otherwise she spends her nights alone. If she is not actively dealing with the children (when they are at work, for example) she acts as a maid / laundrywoman. The linens and other sundries are stored in the large open area under the loft where the children sleep.
[[AbnerHayes Abner Hayes]]
Note: There are between seven and twelve at the orphanage at any given time.
[[ElizabethClark Elizabeth Clark]], the matron, is the person the children interact with the most. She is employed by Mrs. Black to do the real work involved with running the orphanage. Keeping the children clothed and fed, putting them to bed, caring for them when they are sick, all these tasks fall to Elizabeth, or Mrs. Lizzy as the children sometimes call her. She lives and sleeps in a small room underneath the loft where the children sleep, acting as both a caretaker and a prison guard. She is not cruel to the children, but this is a job for her and she treats it like one. She is very even handed with the children and by the nature of Nora and Mr. French ends up being the good cop more often than not. She is not above spanking and punishments, but at the end of the day, the children's best interest are in the forefront of her mind. She is a large (big, tall and muscular, not fat) creole woman, with a big laugh. She and Louis flirt a lot but nothing more appears to come of that, otherwise she spends her nights alone. If she is not actively dealing with the children (when they are at work, for example) she acts as a maid / laundrywoman. The linens and other sundries are stored in the large open area under the loft where the children sleep.
[[AbnerHayes Abner Hayes]]
Note: There are between seven and twelve at the orphanage at any given time.
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**[[ElizabethClark Elizabeth Clark]], the matron, is the person the children interact with the most. She is employed by Mrs. Black to do the real work involved with running the orphanage. Keeping the children clothed and fed, putting them to bed, caring for them when they are sick, all these tasks fall to Elizabeth, or Mrs. Lizzy as the children sometimes call her. She lives and sleeps in a small room underneath the loft where the children sleep, acting as both a caretaker and a prison guard. She is not cruel to the children, but this is a job for her and she treats it like one. She is very even handed with the children and by the nature of Nora and Mr. French ends up being the good cop more often than not. She is not above spanking and punishments, but at the end of the day, the children's best interest are in the forefront of her mind. She is a large (big, tall and muscular, not fat) creole woman, with a big laugh. She and Louis flirt a lot but nothing more appears to come of that, otherwise she spends her nights alone. If she is not actively dealing with the children (when they are at work, for example) she acts as a maid / laundrywoman. The linens and other sundries are stored in the large open area under the loft where the children sleep.**
<#ann: I have a question: How many children are in the orphanage in total? Are we the only ones, are there dozens/scores/hundreds? - Ann#>
**There are between 7 and 12 children in the orphanage. So the PCs + a few others. I have not fully fleshed out the other characters yet. I would like to get some idea of the other PCs personalities, so the characters that I make do not overlap too heavily. E.G. if Cole is a big troublemaker, then I don't want to make a troublemaker character.**
<#kate: Hey all. Been thinking about my character (gasp) and was wondering if we could tweak some of the years so that her respective ages could make sense? I'm hoping to have her be 21-22 in 1880, while arriving at the orphanage around 9, putting the "start year" around 1867-68 rather than 1865. I was also hoping she would be the 4th or 5th of the PC's to arrive as well. Not sure if any of that works, but let me know. Happy character developing. Kate. #>
<#ann: I don't have a problem with that. I did some initial investigating, and while the majority of orphanages were single sex, I did find records specifically in New Orleans that referenced sending both male and female children to the same institution, and other records that talk about the Blank Orphanage for Girls and Blank Orphanage for Boys, which imply sister schools, so that's not too much of a problem. I have found numerous references to integrated schools in New Orleans in this period (thought by the end of the century that had changed), so if we decide to be an integrated orphanage, I think we can let that slide. I'm still looking for more detailed information about what it was like to live in an orphanage in this time period, but signs seem to indicate that schooling would be important. Almost every reference to NO orphanages mention 'good education' (though of course the official press is hardly going to say otherwise.) Most mention teaching girls to sew, and several say they teach boys 'a useful trade'. At least one orphanage in NO was doing the laundry of hotels and steamboats, so that might be something to think about.) #>
<#bill: The other option is that was make the game happen earlier....like 1878 or so. I think I would prefer that option, but I can go either way. #>
<#court: Shifting the timing either of the ways mentioned is fine with me! And I think my character would be good arriving at the orphanage earlyish, so that shouldn't be in conflict for arrival order! -ct. #>
<#jonah: JP: I have no problem with that date adjustment. If you have something cool in mind, I'd say let's go for it. (As an aside, don't forget that the new wiki syntax works! I've updated the above text to use the new stuff. #>
<#kate: I'd like a balcony (maybe iron wrought like they have in all those pictures) where you can hear music and maybe see some of the fancy folks in town. -Kate #>
<#ann: If there is a high tower, would we need a balcony? I sort of like the idea of sneaking out on the roof/tower to listen to the music. It gives it a forbidden air. In response to being a factory/hotel, I would vote for the hotel. There's much more varied work and more physical work in running a hotel than in working in a factory. Learning to sew, do laundry, cook, etc can be useful skills. -Ann #>
<#kate: I'm cool if the tower = balcony. I just wanted a place where my character could hang out (sneak out more probably) and listen to music. In reply to the hotel / factory - could we do both? The girls at the hotel, the boys at the factory? I hate to be stereotypical but I feel like the guys would be put to work in a more physically demanding environment (hauling stuff, chopping, working with machines) while the girls might be more the laundry, cooking route. Either way works for me really, just wanted to voice the option. Since my hope is to have a musically inclined character, could there be a piano in the hotel? - Kate #>
**Piano is a go in the hotel.
I would prefer if everyone is in the same place. I can find lots of manual labor for the boys to do (chop wood, haul landry, carpentry, plumbing, etc)**
<#ann: It's the physical nature of doing laundry and baking bread that I'm counting on to build my muscles! Sewing is tedious and sedentary, but that's about the only household task that is not back-breaking. But I'm down with making it a hybrid hotel/factory if that's what we want. There's more scope there for people being able to either gain a skill they want to have or make their lives miserable in a particular way, whichever path they want to take with the character-Ann#>
<#court: Factory/hotel/balcony all sound great! I also wanted to bring up the possibility of siblings again... J and Bill I think expressed initial interest, but as everyone thinks about their characters more, I wanted to check in again. I will start an email thread or create a subpage for whoever wants to jump on the bandwagon! My initial thought was to create a family in which mental illness of a parent was a prime factor in the child(ren) going to the orphanage. I've been doing some research and thinking and can bat around ideas with whoever lets me know they'd like to! =) -Court#>
**Subpage for the siblings go!**
<#bill: l Kel, did you create a subpage somewhere that I'm not seeing? Or are you just telling us to go ahead and create one? #>
<#kate: Hey Court - Sounds fun but I think I'll skip on the siblings at this point. My vote would be for the hotel if we're only doing one. -Kate #>
<#court: Here's that subpage! [[SiblingsPossibilities]] #>
<#kate: Ann already found the Picayune (through BPL if you're interested) but here's a link to more local newspapers of the era:
[[http://sites.google.com/site/onlinenewspapersite/Home/usa/la Louisiana Online Historical Newspapers]] #>
<#bill: Question: I took a look at the share docs in google and noticed that one of the rooms is listed as belonging to Abner Hayes. Who is that? #>
<#kate: Kel didn't have time to add a paragraph about him, but he's a regular resident at the hotel. Description forthcoming: [[AbnerHayes]]. #>
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<#court: I like the idea of Elizabeth doing something formal, and Louis doing his ad hoc thing. Works for me! #>
<#court: Jeanne would be of a mind to sneak out, as long as she had a reason, be it to rebel or to support anyone she ends up bonding with. #>
<#court: I like the idea of Elizabeth doing something formal, and Louis doing his ad hoc thing. Works for me! #>
<#court: Jeanne would be of a mind to sneak out, as long as she had a reason, be it to rebel or to support anyone she ends up bonding with. #>
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<#kate: The St. Louis Cathedral was the big one around and I figure we go there (?). How do the kids take to the church? I think Ella likes to the organ music (I doubt there's kick ass Gospel) and can give a rats about the actual faith stuff. Just something to consider if not answer given privacy / figuring things out. #>
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[[https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1UQhmgeqO63cAyxMDK3Nr1qChouFq09wXSpKRQcWkbRg/edit French Quarter Detail]] <#kate: I put in the hotel and orphanage arbitrarily here (it seemed a good spot in relation to the church and market), but I'm totally open to altering the position. The other details are historical landmarks that were there at the time (or before then). I'm hoping to add more but if anyone knows of something else to add, let me know. I'm happy to either share the file or get it into Google in a more editable format (but don't really feel like spending the time figure that out at the moment so a picture you have now =P) #>
<#kate: The St. Louis Cathedral was the big one around and I figure we go there (?). How do the kids take to the church? I think Ella likes to the organ music (I doubt there's kick ass Gospel) but just something to consider if not answer given privacy / figuring things out. #>
[[https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1UQhmgeqO63cAyxMDK3Nr1qChouFq09wXSpKRQcWkbRg/edit French Quarter Detail]] <#kate: I put in the hotel and orphanage arbitrarily here (it seemed a good spot in relation to the church and market), but I'm totally open to altering the position. The other details are historical landmarks that were there at the time (or before then). I'm hoping to add more but if anyone knows of something else to add, let me know. I'm happy to either share the file or get it into Google in a more editable format (but don't really feel like spending the time figure that out at the moment so a picture you have now =P) #>
<#kate: The St. Louis Cathedral was the big one around and I figure we go there (?). How do the kids take to the church? I think Ella likes to the organ music (I doubt there's kick ass Gospel) but just something to consider if not answer given privacy / figuring things out. #>
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<#kate: I'm cool with being schooled or not, whatever floats. If so, why can't Elizabeth teach them? She gets them up, they work until breakfast, do a lesson during breakfast (eat and write their letters or whatever), work, lesson 2 of the day maybe with a mid-day snack, work again, dinner, lesson, bed?#>
<#kate: I'm cool with being schooled or not, whatever floats. If so, why can't Elizabeth teach them? She gets them up, they work until breakfast, do a lesson during breakfast (eat and write their letters or whatever), work, lesson 2 of the day maybe with a mid-day snack, work again, dinner, lesson, bed?#>
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<#kate: Why can't Elizabeth teach them? She gets them up, they work until breakfast, do some lesson during breakfast (eat and write their letters or whatever), work, lesson 2 of the day, work, dinner, lesson, bed?#>
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<#kate: Cool. I bet this will come out in the events but I'll keep my ear out for stuff that Ella might pick up #>
<#kate: Neat I'll look forward to it =) #>
<#kate: Very fun. This brings up another question (see below!) #>
**I'll reserve rights to change things as I sort this out, but Ill make educated guesses.
- Shawn and Erin: 9 - <#ann: if they are 9 when they arrive in 1865, shouldn't they be 13 in 1869? #> <#kate: I know Kel was aiming to have folks be around the same age - so maybe he meant 9 in 1869 in the above? I don't really care, but in terms of meeting people it's definitely different to meet a 9 than a 13 year old, and I find it weird that Shawn would follow around Callahan if he's that much older#> NeedsKelly
**This is just me, but I don't see a particular push for adoption.**
<#kate: This is pretty irrelevant a clarification now, but that was my point: They are worker bees which shouldn't include being schooled unless more randomly by Louis I believe the below contradicts this, which is 100% fine, but that was why I brought it up for discussion. #>
<#kate: Why can't Elizabeth teach them? She gets them up, they work until breakfast, do some lesson during breakfast (eat and write their letters or whatever), work, lesson 2 of the day, work, dinner, lesson, bed?#>
**I'm fine with whatever.**
<#kate: I'd like to make a separate page for some of the "answered" questions rather than them just deleted. It's been my experience having stuff in writing is better in case it needs to be referenced. So how about sticking whatever you want to remove here: [[NOAnswered]] #>
<#kate: This might need to wait until folks figure out more stuff but Jonah's answer above made me wonder who among the NPCs / PCs might be of the sneaking out inclination? I'm guessing Minnie, Valerie (unless it's to the cemetery), and Erin are nos, and I'd think Jefferson and Deco would fit into this too although they might be convinced. Ella's obviously a yes and it seems Callahan and Shawn would be too. How about the others?#>
<#kate: Are there other instruments in the hotel? maybe with Abner (like a harmonica, guitar, whatever)? I feel like Ella'd jump on any she can get her hands on. #>
<#kate: How are the kids tied together for Church? By the waist? Wrist? In my mind I see them lined up by height for some reason and then lassoed. #>
<#kate: Are there any celebrations (this is something I remember doing in the BC game) like birthdays? I can't imagine many of the children know exactly when theirs are, but maybe we do a song and dance for the Blacks on Rose's birthday or something for Louis. Just a thought on something to maybe add to the timeline. #>
<#kate: Neat I'll look forward to it =) #>
<#kate: Very fun. This brings up another question (see below!) #>
**I'll reserve rights to change things as I sort this out, but Ill make educated guesses.
- Shawn and Erin: 9 - <#ann: if they are 9 when they arrive in 1865, shouldn't they be 13 in 1869? #> <#kate: I know Kel was aiming to have folks be around the same age - so maybe he meant 9 in 1869 in the above? I don't really care, but in terms of meeting people it's definitely different to meet a 9 than a 13 year old, and I find it weird that Shawn would follow around Callahan if he's that much older#> NeedsKelly
**This is just me, but I don't see a particular push for adoption.**
<#kate: This is pretty irrelevant a clarification now, but that was my point: They are worker bees which shouldn't include being schooled unless more randomly by Louis I believe the below contradicts this, which is 100% fine, but that was why I brought it up for discussion. #>
<#kate: Why can't Elizabeth teach them? She gets them up, they work until breakfast, do some lesson during breakfast (eat and write their letters or whatever), work, lesson 2 of the day, work, dinner, lesson, bed?#>
**I'm fine with whatever.**
<#kate: I'd like to make a separate page for some of the "answered" questions rather than them just deleted. It's been my experience having stuff in writing is better in case it needs to be referenced. So how about sticking whatever you want to remove here: [[NOAnswered]] #>
<#kate: This might need to wait until folks figure out more stuff but Jonah's answer above made me wonder who among the NPCs / PCs might be of the sneaking out inclination? I'm guessing Minnie, Valerie (unless it's to the cemetery), and Erin are nos, and I'd think Jefferson and Deco would fit into this too although they might be convinced. Ella's obviously a yes and it seems Callahan and Shawn would be too. How about the others?#>
<#kate: Are there other instruments in the hotel? maybe with Abner (like a harmonica, guitar, whatever)? I feel like Ella'd jump on any she can get her hands on. #>
<#kate: How are the kids tied together for Church? By the waist? Wrist? In my mind I see them lined up by height for some reason and then lassoed. #>
<#kate: Are there any celebrations (this is something I remember doing in the BC game) like birthdays? I can't imagine many of the children know exactly when theirs are, but maybe we do a song and dance for the Blacks on Rose's birthday or something for Louis. Just a thought on something to maybe add to the timeline. #>
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- Shawn and Erin: 9 - <#ann: if they are 9 when they arrive in 1865, shouldn't they be 13 in 1869? #>
**This is just me, but I dont see a particular push for adoption.**
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**Im fine with whatever.**
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**Okay thats fair. I think they are getting plenty of "vocational" education, they get on the job training of cooking and cleaning basically. I am okay with them getting lessons as well, but none of the current characters are really set up to teach them. I will have to think how I am going to handle this NPC wise.
Also I am curious to how other people feel about this.
My gut is that a teacher (paid for by the Blacks) is brought in to teach the kids during the slow part of the day (10ish post checkout till 3 when guests start coming in...)**
**Okay thats fair. I think they are getting plenty of "vocational" education, they get on the job training of cooking and cleaning basically. I am okay with them getting lessons as well, but none of the current characters are really set up to teach them. I will have to think how I am going to handle this NPC wise.
Also I am curious to how other people feel about this.
My gut is that a teacher (paid for by the Blacks) is brought in to teach the kids during the slow part of the day (10ish post checkout till 3 when guests start coming in...)**
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<#jonah: I disagree - the documents describing the history of orphanages were pretty clear that education //was// a priority!
From [[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QxFX5tGrH4XJMDHaosts29tKv2vn3BREz51RyQuo5Fc/edit?pli=1 Orphanages]] (posted earlier by Kate):
By the mid-nineteenth century education was emphasized over work, and middle-class women, who dedicated their time to nurturing their children and doing charity work, were actively involved in social issues pertaining to children. They played an important part in the antebellum reform movement, from the 1830s to 1860s. The reformers, responding to growing urban poverty and influenced by the transcendentalists, sought to provide shelter and education in the midst of nature for orphaned, neglected, abused, abandoned, and delinquent children.
They believed that separating children from adults in almshouses, placing them in institutions in rural areas, structuring their activities, and educating them would turn them into good citizens. For children who had already experienced a life of vice in the city, the reformers established industrial homes, houses of refuge, and reformatories with an emphasis on work and vocational education. The innocent poor–orphaned, abandoned, and neglected children–were educated in orphanages. Some institutions were defined by gender and others had age restrictions. By 1860 orphanages could be found in almost all states of the union. Only a few new states, and small states without urban centers, did not have any orphanages.
I'm ok if we want to make this into the orphanage from Annie or Oliver Twist, but since I know that some folks have an affection for keeping things accurate, I feel like we should give the Blacks some credit and let them run this orphanage under a philosophy similar to what's described above as "industrial homes" with "vocational education". That, to me, would certainly mean lessons in reading and writing, and math lessons as well.
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From [[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QxFX5tGrH4XJMDHaosts29tKv2vn3BREz51RyQuo5Fc/edit?pli=1 Orphanages]] (posted earlier by Kate):
By the mid-nineteenth century education was emphasized over work, and middle-class women, who dedicated their time to nurturing their children and doing charity work, were actively involved in social issues pertaining to children. They played an important part in the antebellum reform movement, from the 1830s to 1860s. The reformers, responding to growing urban poverty and influenced by the transcendentalists, sought to provide shelter and education in the midst of nature for orphaned, neglected, abused, abandoned, and delinquent children.
They believed that separating children from adults in almshouses, placing them in institutions in rural areas, structuring their activities, and educating them would turn them into good citizens. For children who had already experienced a life of vice in the city, the reformers established industrial homes, houses of refuge, and reformatories with an emphasis on work and vocational education. The innocent poor–orphaned, abandoned, and neglected children–were educated in orphanages. Some institutions were defined by gender and others had age restrictions. By 1860 orphanages could be found in almost all states of the union. Only a few new states, and small states without urban centers, did not have any orphanages.
I'm ok if we want to make this into the orphanage from Annie or Oliver Twist, but since I know that some folks have an affection for keeping things accurate, I feel like we should give the Blacks some credit and let them run this orphanage under a philosophy similar to what's described above as "industrial homes" with "vocational education". That, to me, would certainly mean lessons in reading and writing, and math lessons as well.
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**I think Ann has it right, there are no direct lessons unless a child shows some sort of talent or aptitude.**
**okay**
**Im fine with whatever.**
**okay**
**Im fine with whatever.**
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<#jonah: Go for it! #>
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<#court: There is a reason, and the other characters will probably be told something. However, to figure out exactly what they are told, I believe that should play out in our arrival scenes or, if it doesn't come up there, in another event soon after. #><#jonah: What she said. #>
<#jonah: I think he'd be up for it! I imagine sometime in his teen years he could be entertained by perhaps a jazz club or a zydeco party... (I'm not sure what's historically appropriate, but that's a minor matter!) #>
<#jonah: At least for Ollie, he gets his nickname from his family. His real name is Olivier, but apparently Ollie is a reasonably historically popular Cajun nickname. He's going to arrive with very little English (much like Jeanne) but I think he learns quickly, both from the other kids (perhaps Celeste?) and from Mr. French. #>
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<#jonah: I think he'd be up for it! I imagine sometime in his teen years he could be entertained by perhaps a jazz club or a zydeco party... (I'm not sure what's historically appropriate, but that's a minor matter!) #>
<#jonah: At least for Ollie, he gets his nickname from his family. His real name is Olivier, but apparently Ollie is a reasonably historically popular Cajun nickname. He's going to arrive with very little English (much like Jeanne) but I think he learns quickly, both from the other kids (perhaps Celeste?) and from Mr. French. #>
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- Nicholas: 9 <#ann: I think it's 10. Bill, confirm?#> <#bill: Depends when in 1869. OOG, his d.o.b. is Dec. 21, 1859 - so, probably 9?#>
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- Nicholas: 9 <#ann: I think it's 10. Bill, confirm?#> <#bill: Depends when in 1869. OOG, his d.o.b. is Dec. 21, 1659 - so, probably 9?#>
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<#court: Yes - I think it's definitely apparent. I suspect she's old enough that she will retain an accent at least while she is at the orphanage, and we'll see what happens for later. And even though she'll gain English fluency quickly, I suspect she will retain some odd turns of phrase that will pop up periodically. #>
<#court: There is a reason, and the other characters will probably be told something. However, to figure out exactly what they are told, I believe that should play out in our arrival scenes or, if it doesn't come up there, in another event soon after. #>
<#court: There is a reason, and the other characters will probably be told something. However, to figure out exactly what they are told, I believe that should play out in our arrival scenes or, if it doesn't come up there, in another event soon after. #>
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**A while. Let's say he's 10 when you arrive?**
<#kate: Cool so just to consolidate for my brain in 1869:#>
- Deco: 9 <#ann: I think he is 8 in 1869 if he is 5 in 1866, though of course it depends on where his birthday falls.#>
- Nicholas: 9 <#ann: I think it's 10. Bill, confirm?#>
- Shawn and Erin: 9 - <#ann: if they are 9 when they arrive in 1865, shouldn't they be 13 in 1869? #>
<#ann: Kate, I'm confused why you think the schooling aspect is odd given that they're worker bees. They aren't being schooled, that's the point. Louis just sort of shows the kids who are interested when they ask, rather than having a formal school time. I'd imagine that some days all the kids want some lessons, other days everyone is too tired, and on most days only a couple kids bother, though, as always, Kelly can correct me if I'm wrong in my understanding. #>
<#ann: I don't want to pick a bed until I've met the other orphans, because if I'm instant bffs with one of them (unlikely) or totally hate one of them (also unlikely, but you never know), that's going to affect where I want to sleep. Maybe I'm overthinking it, but that's just who I am.#>
<#kate: Cool so just to consolidate for my brain in 1869:#>
- Deco: 9 <#ann: I think he is 8 in 1869 if he is 5 in 1866, though of course it depends on where his birthday falls.#>
- Nicholas: 9 <#ann: I think it's 10. Bill, confirm?#>
- Shawn and Erin: 9 - <#ann: if they are 9 when they arrive in 1865, shouldn't they be 13 in 1869? #>
<#ann: Kate, I'm confused why you think the schooling aspect is odd given that they're worker bees. They aren't being schooled, that's the point. Louis just sort of shows the kids who are interested when they ask, rather than having a formal school time. I'd imagine that some days all the kids want some lessons, other days everyone is too tired, and on most days only a couple kids bother, though, as always, Kelly can correct me if I'm wrong in my understanding. #>
<#ann: I don't want to pick a bed until I've met the other orphans, because if I'm instant bffs with one of them (unlikely) or totally hate one of them (also unlikely, but you never know), that's going to affect where I want to sleep. Maybe I'm overthinking it, but that's just who I am.#>
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<#kate: Cool so just to consolidate for my brain in 1869:#>
- Deco: 9
- Nicholas: 9
- Shawn and Erin: 9
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<#bill: Kate, I hadn't 'officially' decided. Cole is an established nickname/diminutive form of Nicholas - so that would be the easy answer. There's also his 'coal' black hair and dark eyes... so maybe that's how he picks it up. But I will say that he definitely doesn't come to the orphanage calling himself Cole. I am content for it to come about at the orphanage if that's what happens, but it's fine if it doesn't. Maybe he picks it up in the military or sometime later as an adult. I will note for Kel that it is a nickname he likes, so I'd ask that it's not a name that any npcs whom he doesn't like come up with for him (like Mr. French, I'm pretty sure he'd not going to like Mr. French). If it doesn't happen at the orphanage or by the time our game comes to a close, that's cool. #>
<#bill: I think he just keeps them in his pockets. They are pretty small. Now, that may change should issues arrive at the orphanage. If one of the adults tries to take them away or kids try to take them he'd have to get a little more creative in how he holds on to them. No shoe thought...that would hurt. #>
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<#bill: does anyone mind if I clean this page up a bit? My OCD is kicking in... Seems to me we can remove certain things like - the conversation about a balcony (that's resolved - we've got one), like the conversation about a piano (that's resolved - we've got one), like the conversation about siblings (that's resolved - I'd leave the link to the siblings page, but we know Courtney and Jonah are the only PC sibs). If no one has any objections I'd like to stream line this page a bit...#>
<#bill: I think he just keeps them in his pockets. They are pretty small. Now, that may change should issues arrive at the orphanage. If one of the adults tries to take them away or kids try to take them he'd have to get a little more creative in how he holds on to them. No shoe thought...that would hurt. #>
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<#bill: does anyone mind if I clean this page up a bit? My OCD is kicking in... Seems to me we can remove certain things like - the conversation about a balcony (that's resolved - we've got one), like the conversation about a piano (that's resolved - we've got one), like the conversation about siblings (that's resolved - I'd leave the link to the siblings page, but we know Courtney and Jonah are the only PC sibs). If no one has any objections I'd like to stream line this page a bit...#>
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<#kate: Cool so just to consolidate for my brain in 1869:#>
- Valerie: 8
<#kate: 6. You mention Erin's particularly cute (Ollie apparently is too). Is there any effort to get these kids into real homes? #>
- Valerie: 8
<#kate: 6. You mention Erin's particularly cute (Ollie apparently is too). Is there any effort to get these kids into real homes? #>
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- Valerie: 8 #>
<#kate: 6. You mention Erin's particularly cute (Ollie apparently is too). Is there any effort to get these kids into real homes?
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<#kate: Kel didn't have time to add a paragraph about him, but he's a regular resident at the hotel. Description forthcoming: [[AbnerHayes]]. #>
<#kate: Kate has some questions for folk. Many might need to wait until earlier events are figured out, some might be none of my business =P but I need to get them out of my head before I go...more crazy: #>
<#kate: Court: Do you think Jeanne's native language becomes apparent? I think it would be neat, and something Ella would be curious about, if only learning a few phrases here and there rather than becoming fluent or anything. #>
<#kate: Court & Jonah: You guys have two different dates for your characters arrival. Given that your siblings, is there a reason the other characters would know? #>
<#kate: Jonah: You mention Ollie likes dancing. Do you mean he's just wiggly or does he like to / grows to like more "formal" dancing (like steps not tuxedo waltz)? Ella definitely likes to dance and might abscond with him if he's a willing partner =). #>
<#kate: Bill & Jonah: How does Cole / Ollie get their nickname? Cole introduces himself as Nicolas in the initial Ella event, so does it come after that? How about Ollie or does is he always called that? #>
<#kate: Bill & Kelly: How does Cole carry his soldiers around? How does Callahan keep his coin? #>
<#kate: Ann & Kelly: How does this seem to you? [[PianoEvent]] #>
<#kate: Kelly:
1a. When does Callahan first discover the Bell Tower? I'm assuming well before Ella's arrival, but thought it might be a good Timeline Event to include. #>
<#kate: 1b. Can anyone go out to the Bell Tower or is it King Callahan's domain (especially with his money stash up there?) or some kind of rite of passage?
#>
<#kate: 2. How does Erin react to Shawn's adventuring? #>
<#kate: 3. Is there some kind of curfew those who sneak out adhere to? I feel like Ella would be one of them, and would be interested to know if there are "rules" the children have figured out. #>
<#kate: 4. Are there any "hazing traditions" besides Mr. French's initial beating?
#>
<#kate: 5. I'm trying to get a feel for how old the other orphans are when Ella arrives (selfish I know). I realize that precise ages may not be available as the kids might not know, but a general sense would be great: #>
<#kate: a. Deco arrives in 1866 at "a very young age" - like 3? 5? #>
<#kate: b. Jefferson was left at 6 but you don't mention a year. Any idea on how long he's been there? #>
<#kate: c. Who is older, Erin and Shawn and by how much or are they twins? How old are they when they arrive in 1865?
#>
<#kate: d. How old is Valerie? #>
<#kate: e. How old is Callahan? #>
<#kate: Cool so just to consolidate for my brain in 1869:
- Callahan: 10
- Celeste: 11
- Deco: 9
- Ella: 9
- Jeanne: 10
- Jefferson: 10
- Minnie: 10
- Nicholas: 9
- Ollie: 8
- Shawn and Erin: 9
- Valerie: 8 #>
<#kate: 6. You mention Erin's particularly cute (Ollie apparently is too). Is there any effort to get these kids into real homes?
#>
<#kate: 7. You mention Louis being willing to teach kids to read / write. I feel like Ella gets inspired because she finds the music (see her description on the timeline page). Are these teachings like lessons too? Like there's a time and place for it Ella would note and be able to jump in on or something to ask about? #>
<#kate: 8. Maybe much will be clarified if we could work out how the lessons work. I would think they'd happen daily, maybe after morning chores, and Elizabeth would teach them. The whole schooling aspect just strikes me as odd given that they're supposed to be little worker bees. Perhaps that's just me... #>
<#kate: Kate has some questions for folk. Many might need to wait until earlier events are figured out, some might be none of my business =P but I need to get them out of my head before I go...more crazy: #>
<#kate: Court: Do you think Jeanne's native language becomes apparent? I think it would be neat, and something Ella would be curious about, if only learning a few phrases here and there rather than becoming fluent or anything. #>
<#kate: Court & Jonah: You guys have two different dates for your characters arrival. Given that your siblings, is there a reason the other characters would know? #>
<#kate: Jonah: You mention Ollie likes dancing. Do you mean he's just wiggly or does he like to / grows to like more "formal" dancing (like steps not tuxedo waltz)? Ella definitely likes to dance and might abscond with him if he's a willing partner =). #>
<#kate: Bill & Jonah: How does Cole / Ollie get their nickname? Cole introduces himself as Nicolas in the initial Ella event, so does it come after that? How about Ollie or does is he always called that? #>
<#kate: Bill & Kelly: How does Cole carry his soldiers around? How does Callahan keep his coin? #>
<#kate: Ann & Kelly: How does this seem to you? [[PianoEvent]] #>
<#kate: Kelly:
1a. When does Callahan first discover the Bell Tower? I'm assuming well before Ella's arrival, but thought it might be a good Timeline Event to include. #>
<#kate: 1b. Can anyone go out to the Bell Tower or is it King Callahan's domain (especially with his money stash up there?) or some kind of rite of passage?
#>
<#kate: 2. How does Erin react to Shawn's adventuring? #>
<#kate: 3. Is there some kind of curfew those who sneak out adhere to? I feel like Ella would be one of them, and would be interested to know if there are "rules" the children have figured out. #>
<#kate: 4. Are there any "hazing traditions" besides Mr. French's initial beating?
#>
<#kate: 5. I'm trying to get a feel for how old the other orphans are when Ella arrives (selfish I know). I realize that precise ages may not be available as the kids might not know, but a general sense would be great: #>
<#kate: a. Deco arrives in 1866 at "a very young age" - like 3? 5? #>
<#kate: b. Jefferson was left at 6 but you don't mention a year. Any idea on how long he's been there? #>
<#kate: c. Who is older, Erin and Shawn and by how much or are they twins? How old are they when they arrive in 1865?
#>
<#kate: d. How old is Valerie? #>
<#kate: e. How old is Callahan? #>
<#kate: Cool so just to consolidate for my brain in 1869:
- Callahan: 10
- Celeste: 11
- Deco: 9
- Ella: 9
- Jeanne: 10
- Jefferson: 10
- Minnie: 10
- Nicholas: 9
- Ollie: 8
- Shawn and Erin: 9
- Valerie: 8 #>
<#kate: 6. You mention Erin's particularly cute (Ollie apparently is too). Is there any effort to get these kids into real homes?
#>
<#kate: 7. You mention Louis being willing to teach kids to read / write. I feel like Ella gets inspired because she finds the music (see her description on the timeline page). Are these teachings like lessons too? Like there's a time and place for it Ella would note and be able to jump in on or something to ask about? #>
<#kate: 8. Maybe much will be clarified if we could work out how the lessons work. I would think they'd happen daily, maybe after morning chores, and Elizabeth would teach them. The whole schooling aspect just strikes me as odd given that they're supposed to be little worker bees. Perhaps that's just me... #>
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<#kate: Kate has some questions for folk. Many might need to wait until earlier events are figured out, some might be none of my business =P but I need to get them out of my head before I go...more crazy:
Court: Do you think Jeanne's native language becomes apparent? I think it would be neat, and something Ella would be curious about, if only learning a few phrases here and there rather than becoming fluent or anything.
Court & Jonah: You guys have two different dates for your characters arrival. Given that your siblings, is there a reason the other characters would know?
Jonah: You mention Ollie likes dancing. Do you mean he's just wiggly or does he like to / grows to like more "formal" dancing (like steps not tuxedo waltz)? Ella definitely likes to dance and might abscond with him if he's a willing partner =).
Bill & Jonah: How does Cole / Ollie get their nickname? Cole introduces himself as Nicolas in the initial Ella event, so does it come after that? How about Ollie or does is he always called that?
Bill & Kelly: How does Cole carry his soldiers around? How does Callahan keep his coin?
Ann & Kelly: How does this seem to you? [[PianoEvent]]
Kelly:
1a. When does Callahan first discover the Bell Tower? I'm assuming well before Ella's arrival, but thought it might be a good Timeline Event to include.
1b. Can anyone go out to the Bell Tower or is it King Callahan's domain (especially with his money stash up there?) or some kind of rite of passage?
2. How does Erin react to Shawn's adventuring?
3. Is there some kind of curfew those who sneak out adhere to? I feel like Ella would be one of them, and would be interested to know if there are "rules" the children have figured out.
4. Are there any "hazing traditions" besides Mr. French's initial beating?
5. I'm trying to get a feel for how old the other orphans are when Ella arrives (selfish I know). I realize that precise ages may not be available as the kids might not know, but a general sense would be great:
a. Deco arrives in 1866 at "a very young age" - like 3? 5?
b. Jefferson was left at 6 but you don't mention a year. Any idea on how long he's been there?
c. Who is older, Erin and Shawn and by how much or are they twins? How old are they when they arrive in 1865?
d. How old is Valerie?
e. How old is Callahan?
6. You mention Erin's particularly cute (Ollie apparently is too). Is there any effort to get these kids into real homes?
7. You mention Louis being willing to teach kids to read / write. I feel like Ella gets inspired because she finds the music (see her description on the timeline page). Are these teachings like lessons too? Like there's a time and place for it Ella would note and be able to jump in on or something to ask about?
8. Maybe much will be clarified if we could work out how the lessons work. I would think they'd happen daily, maybe after morning chores, and Elizabeth would teach them. The whole schooling aspect just strikes me as odd given that they're supposed to be little worker bees. Perhaps that's just me...
#>
Additions:
**Callahan keeps his coin in his left shoe when he goes about his day. He often has it in his hand as well. (He looks at it before he goes to bed and puts it under his pillow when he sleeps.)**
1a. When does Callahan first discover the Bell Tower? I'm assuming well before Ella's arrival, but thought it might be a good Timeline Event to include.
**Callahan knows about the Bell Tower before any of the PCs get there. He is happy to show anyone brave enough to go out on the roof it at his earliest opportunity.**
**Anyone can go out there, as I said Cal is happy to show people, he likes showing off. He keeps his stash of money out there, and I feel like other characters keep important things they dont want the adults to be able to get at out there as well. He sleeps by the window and usually knows who comes and goes, so it would be difficult for someone to take his money, but if someone feels like they would we should have an event!**
2. How does Erin react to Shawn's adventuring?
**Erin has a "boys will be boys" mentality, she worries about him, but she is not mad.**
**The children are "in bed" after dinner, and are expected to be up and starting work at 5 am. There is no curfew, but if you are late for work, or sleeping on the job then punishment ensues. Also if you are not in your bed at 5 a.m. when Mrs Lizzy comes to "check" there is hell to pay.**
**Introduction to the Bell Tower, nothing else that I know of.**
**Ill reserve rights to change things as I sort this out, but Ill make educated guesses.
5 for Deco.**
**A while. Let say hes 10 when you arrive?**
**They are twins. 9**
d. How old is Valerie?
**Indeterminate, young but acts very mature. say 8**
**10**
**This is just me, but I dont see a particular push for adoption.**
**Louis just does it after dinner, reading to the children, having them read him recipes and things.**
8. Maybe much will be clarified if we could work out how the lessons work. I would think they'd happen daily, maybe after morning chores, and Elizabeth would teach them. The whole schooling aspect just strikes me as odd given that they're supposed to be little worker bees. Perhaps that's just me...
**No schooling, see above**
#>
1a. When does Callahan first discover the Bell Tower? I'm assuming well before Ella's arrival, but thought it might be a good Timeline Event to include.
**Callahan knows about the Bell Tower before any of the PCs get there. He is happy to show anyone brave enough to go out on the roof it at his earliest opportunity.**
**Anyone can go out there, as I said Cal is happy to show people, he likes showing off. He keeps his stash of money out there, and I feel like other characters keep important things they dont want the adults to be able to get at out there as well. He sleeps by the window and usually knows who comes and goes, so it would be difficult for someone to take his money, but if someone feels like they would we should have an event!**
2. How does Erin react to Shawn's adventuring?
**Erin has a "boys will be boys" mentality, she worries about him, but she is not mad.**
**The children are "in bed" after dinner, and are expected to be up and starting work at 5 am. There is no curfew, but if you are late for work, or sleeping on the job then punishment ensues. Also if you are not in your bed at 5 a.m. when Mrs Lizzy comes to "check" there is hell to pay.**
**Introduction to the Bell Tower, nothing else that I know of.**
**Ill reserve rights to change things as I sort this out, but Ill make educated guesses.
5 for Deco.**
**A while. Let say hes 10 when you arrive?**
**They are twins. 9**
d. How old is Valerie?
**Indeterminate, young but acts very mature. say 8**
**10**
**This is just me, but I dont see a particular push for adoption.**
**Louis just does it after dinner, reading to the children, having them read him recipes and things.**
8. Maybe much will be clarified if we could work out how the lessons work. I would think they'd happen daily, maybe after morning chores, and Elizabeth would teach them. The whole schooling aspect just strikes me as odd given that they're supposed to be little worker bees. Perhaps that's just me...
**No schooling, see above**
#>
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2. How does Erin react to Shawn's adventuring?
d. How old is Valerie?
8. Maybe much will be clarified if we could work out how the lessons work. I would think they'd happen daily, maybe after morning chores, and Elizabeth would teach them. The whole schooling aspect just strikes me as odd given that they're supposed to be little worker bees. Perhaps that's just me...#>
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Jonah: You mention Ollie likes dancing. Do you mean he's just wiggly or does he like to / grows to like more "formal" dancing (like steps not tuxedo waltz)? Ella definitely likes to dance and might abscond with him if he's a willing partner =).
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<#kate: Kate has some questions for folk. Many might need to wait until earlier events are figured out, some might be none of my business =P but I need to get them out of my head before I go...more crazy:
Court: Do you think Jeanne's native language becomes apparent? I think it would be neat, and something Ella would be curious about, if only learning a few phrases here and there rather than becoming fluent or anything.
1b. Can anyone go out to the Bell Tower or is it King Callahan's domain (especially with his money stash up there?) or some kind of rite of passage?
6. You mention Erin's particularly cute (Ollie apparently is too). Is there any effort to get these kids into real homes?
7. You mention Louis being willing to teach kids to read / write. I feel like Ella gets inspired because she finds the music (see her description on the timeline page). Are these teachings like lessons too? Like there's a time and place for it Ella would note and be able to jump in on or something to ask about?
8. Maybe much will be clarified if we could work out how the lessons work. I would think they'd happen daily, maybe after morning chores, and Elizabeth would teach them. The whole schooling aspect just strikes me as odd given that they're supposed to be little worker bees. Perhaps that's just me...#>
Court: Do you think Jeanne's native language becomes apparent? I think it would be neat, and something Ella would be curious about, if only learning a few phrases here and there rather than becoming fluent or anything.
1b. Can anyone go out to the Bell Tower or is it King Callahan's domain (especially with his money stash up there?) or some kind of rite of passage?
6. You mention Erin's particularly cute (Ollie apparently is too). Is there any effort to get these kids into real homes?
7. You mention Louis being willing to teach kids to read / write. I feel like Ella gets inspired because she finds the music (see her description on the timeline page). Are these teachings like lessons too? Like there's a time and place for it Ella would note and be able to jump in on or something to ask about?
8. Maybe much will be clarified if we could work out how the lessons work. I would think they'd happen daily, maybe after morning chores, and Elizabeth would teach them. The whole schooling aspect just strikes me as odd given that they're supposed to be little worker bees. Perhaps that's just me...#>
Deletions:
Court: Do you think Jeanne's native language becomes apparent? I think it would be neat, and something Ella would be curious about, if only learning a few phrases rather than becoming fluent or anything
1b. Can anyone go out to the Bell Tower or is it King Callahan's domain (especially with his money stash?
6. You mention Erin's particularly cute (Ollie apparently is too). Is there any effort to get these kids into real homes? #>
Additions:
Bill & Jonah: How does Cole / Ollie get their nickname? Cole introduces himself as Nicolas in the initial Ella event, so does it come after that? How about Ollie or does is he always called that?
Bill & Kelly: How does Cole carry his soldiers around? How does Callahan keep his coin?
Kelly:
1a. When does Callahan first discover the Bell Tower? I'm assuming well before Ella's arrival, but thought it might be a good Timeline Event to include.
1b. Can anyone go out to the Bell Tower or is it King Callahan's domain (especially with his money stash?
2. How does Erin react to Shawn's adventuring?
3. Is there some kind of curfew those who sneak out adhere to? I feel like Ella would be one of them, and would be interested to know if there are "rules" the children have figured out.
4. Are there any "hazing traditions" besides Mr. French's initial beating?
5. I'm trying to get a feel for how old the other orphans are when Ella arrives (selfish I know). I realize that precise ages may not be available as the kids might not know, but a general sense would be great:
a. Deco arrives in 1866 at "a very young age" - like 3? 5?
b. Jefferson was left at 6 but you don't mention a year. Any idea on how long he's been there?
c. Who is older, Erin and Shawn and by how much or are they twins? How old are they when they arrive in 1865?
d. How old is Valerie?
e. How old is Callahan?
6. You mention Erin's particularly cute (Ollie apparently is too). Is there any effort to get these kids into real homes? #>
Bill & Kelly: How does Cole carry his soldiers around? How does Callahan keep his coin?
Kelly:
1a. When does Callahan first discover the Bell Tower? I'm assuming well before Ella's arrival, but thought it might be a good Timeline Event to include.
1b. Can anyone go out to the Bell Tower or is it King Callahan's domain (especially with his money stash?
2. How does Erin react to Shawn's adventuring?
3. Is there some kind of curfew those who sneak out adhere to? I feel like Ella would be one of them, and would be interested to know if there are "rules" the children have figured out.
4. Are there any "hazing traditions" besides Mr. French's initial beating?
5. I'm trying to get a feel for how old the other orphans are when Ella arrives (selfish I know). I realize that precise ages may not be available as the kids might not know, but a general sense would be great:
a. Deco arrives in 1866 at "a very young age" - like 3? 5?
b. Jefferson was left at 6 but you don't mention a year. Any idea on how long he's been there?
c. Who is older, Erin and Shawn and by how much or are they twins? How old are they when they arrive in 1865?
d. How old is Valerie?
e. How old is Callahan?
6. You mention Erin's particularly cute (Ollie apparently is too). Is there any effort to get these kids into real homes? #>
Deletions:
Kelly: 1. When does Callahan first discover the Bell Tower? I'm assuming well before Ella's arrival, but thought it might be a good Timeline Event to include. 2. How does Erin react to Shawn's adventuring? 3. Is there some kind of curfew those who sneak out adhere to? I feel like Ella would be one of them, and would be interested to know if there are "rules" the children have figured out. #>
Additions:
||Bed 12 - Name?||Bed 13 - Valerie||
**Pick beds. Ann's up next, then I'll go fill in more NPCs and so on.**
<#kate: Kate has some questions for several folk. Many might need to wait until earlier events are figured out, some might be none of my business =P but I need to get them out of my head before I go...more crazy:
Court: Do you think Jeanne's native language becomes apparent? I think it would be neat, and something Ella would be curious about, if only learning a few phrases rather than becoming fluent or anything
Court & Jonah: You guys have two different dates for your characters arrival. Given that your siblings, is there a reason the other characters would know?
Bill: How does Cole get his nickname? He introduces himself as Nicolas in the initial Ella event, so does it come after that? Any thoughts on how or who gives it to him? 2. How does he carry his soldiers around?
Ann & Kelly: How does this seem to you? [[PianoEvent]]
Kelly: 1. When does Callahan first discover the Bell Tower? I'm assuming well before Ella's arrival, but thought it might be a good Timeline Event to include. 2. How does Erin react to Shawn's adventuring? 3. Is there some kind of curfew those who sneak out adhere to? I feel like Ella would be one of them, and would be interested to know if there are "rules" the children have figured out. #>
**Pick beds. Ann's up next, then I'll go fill in more NPCs and so on.**
<#kate: Kate has some questions for several folk. Many might need to wait until earlier events are figured out, some might be none of my business =P but I need to get them out of my head before I go...more crazy:
Court: Do you think Jeanne's native language becomes apparent? I think it would be neat, and something Ella would be curious about, if only learning a few phrases rather than becoming fluent or anything
Court & Jonah: You guys have two different dates for your characters arrival. Given that your siblings, is there a reason the other characters would know?
Bill: How does Cole get his nickname? He introduces himself as Nicolas in the initial Ella event, so does it come after that? Any thoughts on how or who gives it to him? 2. How does he carry his soldiers around?
Ann & Kelly: How does this seem to you? [[PianoEvent]]
Kelly: 1. When does Callahan first discover the Bell Tower? I'm assuming well before Ella's arrival, but thought it might be a good Timeline Event to include. 2. How does Erin react to Shawn's adventuring? 3. Is there some kind of curfew those who sneak out adhere to? I feel like Ella would be one of them, and would be interested to know if there are "rules" the children have figured out. #>
Deletions:
**Pick beds. Ann's up first, then Ill go fill in more NPCs and so on.**
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||Stairs||Bed 1 - Jefferson||
||WBed 6 - Callahan||Bed 7 - Name?||
||Bed 12 - Name?||Bed 13 - Valarie||
**Done**
NeedsBill
**Pick beds. Ann's up first, then Ill go fill in more NPCs and so on.**
||WBed 6 - Callahan||Bed 7 - Name?||
||Bed 12 - Name?||Bed 13 - Valarie||
**Done**
NeedsBill
**Pick beds. Ann's up first, then Ill go fill in more NPCs and so on.**
Deletions:
||WBed 6 - Name?||Bed 7 - Name?||
||Bed 12 - Name?||Bed 13 - Name?||
NeedsKelly
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- All PCs were at the same orphanage - **[[TheStJamesOrphanage The St. James Orphanage]]**
===[[NONpcs NPC's Page]]===
**[[VincentBlack Vincent]] and [[RoseBlack Rose Black]] run the [[TheStJamesHotel St. James Hotel]]. A large hotel that is in the heart of the French Quarter (Address needed. Adjacent buildings needed.)
[[TheStJamesOrphanage The Saint James Orphanage]] is attached to the hotel via a small dirty alley, which is the path the children workers take to the hotel early each morning. The Blacks live in an apartment in the hotel.
Rumors is that the Blacks had two children a boy and a girl, its unclear what happened to them, the staff doesn't know or doesn't say. There are pictures of several people who look like the Blacks on the mantle in the den of the Black's apartment, but it is unclear if they are relatives or children. (Children being children can feel free to make up what they think the truth is.)
The head of the staff is [[MartinFrench Mr. Martin French]]. He is a short stout man that is all muscle. He's bald with a thick black beard and a loud voice and smile. He shows up to work every day in his fine pressed tuxedo. He is very proud of his job. He interacts with the children, calling them his "little soldiers." He is not mean, but expects the children to do the jobs they are assigned and is not afraid of beating children who misbehave, or slack off in their duties. As a policy each child is beaten their first day so that they "know what it feels like."
The Chef, [[LouisLavinie Louis Lavinie]], is the only other white staff member. A huge fat man he has a jolly laugh and thick red hair. He claims to have been "classically" trained but has no "proof" other than that his food is tasty. He loves the children, and is constantly sneaking them treats and things (much to the chagrin of Mr. French). Louis can read and write and teaches any interested children the same skills. (Anyone who is interested would learn the basics from Louis, and then once they showed the aptitude, would be given jobs (signing in guests etc) to improve their skills.) Other than on the job training, Sunday School, and lessons from Louis the children have no other formal education.
[[Nora]], a willowy black woman is the head maid. She was Mr. Black's slave, and still basically is in all but name. He treats her well and she runs the house and hotel in the shadow of Mr. French. Mr. French is big and vocal, the face of the hotel, and is "in charge" but the place really dances to the beat of Nora. She believes good help is doing things before people realize they need to be done, and that includes whipping the children if necessary. Cross Mr. French and you earn a beating and lack of supper. Cross Nora and your life is hell, and the children know it. They don't so much hate her as they do fear her. Her word is law, but as long as you do your job and stay on her good side all doors will remain open for you.**
**[[ElizabethClark Elizabeth Clark]], the matron, is the person the children interact with the most. She is employed by Mrs. Black to do the real work involved with running the orphanage. Keeping the children clothed and fed, putting them to bed, caring for them when they are sick, all these tasks fall to Elizabeth, or Mrs. Lizzy as the children sometimes call her. She lives and sleeps in a small room underneath the loft where the children sleep, acting as both a caretaker and a prison guard. She is not cruel to the children, but this is a job for her and she treats it like one. She is very even handed with the children and by the nature of Nora and Mr. French ends up being the good cop more often than not. She is not above spanking and punishments, but at the end of the day, the children's best interest are in the forefront of her mind. She is a large (big, tall and muscular, not fat) creole woman, with a big laugh. She and Louis flirt a lot but nothing more appears to come of that, otherwise she spends her nights alone. If she is not actively dealing with the children (when they are at work, for example) she acts as a maid / laundrywoman. The linens and other sundries are stored in the large open area under the loft where the children sleep.**
===[[NONpcs NPC's Page]]===
**[[VincentBlack Vincent]] and [[RoseBlack Rose Black]] run the [[TheStJamesHotel St. James Hotel]]. A large hotel that is in the heart of the French Quarter (Address needed. Adjacent buildings needed.)
[[TheStJamesOrphanage The Saint James Orphanage]] is attached to the hotel via a small dirty alley, which is the path the children workers take to the hotel early each morning. The Blacks live in an apartment in the hotel.
Rumors is that the Blacks had two children a boy and a girl, its unclear what happened to them, the staff doesn't know or doesn't say. There are pictures of several people who look like the Blacks on the mantle in the den of the Black's apartment, but it is unclear if they are relatives or children. (Children being children can feel free to make up what they think the truth is.)
The head of the staff is [[MartinFrench Mr. Martin French]]. He is a short stout man that is all muscle. He's bald with a thick black beard and a loud voice and smile. He shows up to work every day in his fine pressed tuxedo. He is very proud of his job. He interacts with the children, calling them his "little soldiers." He is not mean, but expects the children to do the jobs they are assigned and is not afraid of beating children who misbehave, or slack off in their duties. As a policy each child is beaten their first day so that they "know what it feels like."
The Chef, [[LouisLavinie Louis Lavinie]], is the only other white staff member. A huge fat man he has a jolly laugh and thick red hair. He claims to have been "classically" trained but has no "proof" other than that his food is tasty. He loves the children, and is constantly sneaking them treats and things (much to the chagrin of Mr. French). Louis can read and write and teaches any interested children the same skills. (Anyone who is interested would learn the basics from Louis, and then once they showed the aptitude, would be given jobs (signing in guests etc) to improve their skills.) Other than on the job training, Sunday School, and lessons from Louis the children have no other formal education.
[[Nora]], a willowy black woman is the head maid. She was Mr. Black's slave, and still basically is in all but name. He treats her well and she runs the house and hotel in the shadow of Mr. French. Mr. French is big and vocal, the face of the hotel, and is "in charge" but the place really dances to the beat of Nora. She believes good help is doing things before people realize they need to be done, and that includes whipping the children if necessary. Cross Mr. French and you earn a beating and lack of supper. Cross Nora and your life is hell, and the children know it. They don't so much hate her as they do fear her. Her word is law, but as long as you do your job and stay on her good side all doors will remain open for you.**
**[[ElizabethClark Elizabeth Clark]], the matron, is the person the children interact with the most. She is employed by Mrs. Black to do the real work involved with running the orphanage. Keeping the children clothed and fed, putting them to bed, caring for them when they are sick, all these tasks fall to Elizabeth, or Mrs. Lizzy as the children sometimes call her. She lives and sleeps in a small room underneath the loft where the children sleep, acting as both a caretaker and a prison guard. She is not cruel to the children, but this is a job for her and she treats it like one. She is very even handed with the children and by the nature of Nora and Mr. French ends up being the good cop more often than not. She is not above spanking and punishments, but at the end of the day, the children's best interest are in the forefront of her mind. She is a large (big, tall and muscular, not fat) creole woman, with a big laugh. She and Louis flirt a lot but nothing more appears to come of that, otherwise she spends her nights alone. If she is not actively dealing with the children (when they are at work, for example) she acts as a maid / laundrywoman. The linens and other sundries are stored in the large open area under the loft where the children sleep.**
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====[[NONpcs NPC's Page]]====
**Vincent and Rose Black run the St. James Hotel. A large hotel that is in the heart of the French Quarter (Address needed. Adjacent buildings needed.)
The Saint James Orphanage is attached to the hotel via a small dirty alley, which is the path the children workers take to the hotel early each morning. The Blacks live in an apartment in the hotel.
Rumors is that the Blacks had two children a boy and a girl, its unclear what happened to them, the staff doesnt know or doesnt say. There are pictures of several people who look like the Blacks on the mantle in the den of the Black's apartment, but it is unclear if they are relatives or children. (Children being children can feel free to make up what they think the truth is.)
The head of the staff is Mr. Martin French. He is a short stout man that is all muscle. He's bald with a thick black beard and a loud voice and smile. He shows up to work every day in his fine pressed tuxedo. He is very proud of his job. He interacts with the children, calling them his "little soldiers." He is not mean, but expects the children to do the jobs they are assigned and is not afraid of beating children who misbehave, or slack off in their duties. As a policy each child is beaten their first day so that they "know what it feels like."
The Chef, Louis Lavinie, is the only other white staff member. A huge fat man he has a jolly laugh and thick red hair. He claims to have been "classically" trained but has no "proof" other than that his food is tasty. He loves the children, and is constantly sneaking them treats and things (much to the chagrin of Mr. French). Louis can read and write and teaches any interested children the same skills. (Anyone who is interested would learn the basics from Louis, and then once they showed the aptitude, would be given jobs (signing in guests etc) to improve their skills.) Other than on the job training, Sunday School, and lessons from Louis the children have no other formal education.
Nora, a willowy black woman is the head maid. She was Mr. Black's slave, and still basically is in all but name. He treats her well and she runs the house and hotel in the shadow of Mr. French. Mr. French is big and vocal, the face of the hotel, and is "in charge" but the place really dances to the beat of Nora. She believes good help is doing things before people realize they need to be done, and that includes whiping the children if necessary. Cross Mr. French and you earn a beating and lack of supper. Cross Nora and your life is hell, and the children know it. They dont so much hate her as they do fear her. Her word is law, but as long as you do your job and stay on her good side all doors will remain open for you.**
**Elizabeth Clark, the matron, is the person the children interact with the most. She is employed by Mrs. Black to do the real work involved with running the orphanage. Keeping the children clothed and fed, putting them to bed, caring for them when they are sick, all these tasks fall to Elizabeth, or Mrs. Lizzy as the children sometimes call her. She lives and sleeps in a small room underneath the loft where the children sleep, acting as both a caretaker and a prison guard. She is not cruel to the children, but this is a job for her and she treats it like one. She is very even handed with the children and by the nature of Nora and Mr. French ends up being the good cop more often than not. She is not above spanking and punishments, but at the end of the day, the children's best interest are in the forefront of her mind. She is a large (big, tall and muscular, not fat) creole woman, with a big laugh. She and Louis flirt a lot but nothing more appears to come of that, otherwise she spends her nights alone. If she is not actively dealing with the children (when they are at work, for example) she acts as a maid / laundrywoman. The linens and other sundries are stored in the large open area under the loft where the children sleep.**
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====[[NONpcs NPC's Page]]====
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====[[NOnpcs NPC's Page]]====
====Descriptions:====
**Vincent and Rose Black run the St. James Hotel. A large hotel that is in the heart of the French Quarter (Address needed. Adjacent buildings needed.)
====Descriptions:====
**Vincent and Rose Black run the St. James Hotel. A large hotel that is in the heart of the French Quarter (Address needed. Adjacent buildings needed.)
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Vincent and Rose Black run the St. James Hotel. A large hotel that is in the heart of the French Quarter (Address needed. Adjacent buildings needed.)
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NeedsCourt - waiting to pick bed in arrival order =)
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======New Orleans Game Scaffold======
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<#kate: Kel didn't have time to add a paragraph about him, but he's a regular resident at the hotel. Description forthcoming. #>
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**Elizabeth Clark, the matron, is the person the children interact with the most. She is employed by Mrs. Black to do the real work involved with running the orphanage. Keeping the children clothed and fed, putting them to bed, caring for them when they are sick, all these tasks fall to Elizabeth, or Mrs. Lizzy as the children sometimes call her. She lives and sleeps in a small room underneath the loft where the children sleep, acting as both a caretaker and a prison guard. She is not cruel to the children, but this is a job for her and she treats it like one. She is very even handed with the children and by the nature of Nora and Mr. French ends up being the good cop more often than not. She is not above spanking and punishments, but at the end of the day, the children's best interest are in the forefront of her mind. She is a large (big, tall and muscular, not fat) creole woman, with a big laugh. She and Louis flirt a lot but nothing more appears to come of that, otherwise she spends her nights alone. If she is not actively dealing with the children (when they are at work, for example) she acts as a maid / laundrywoman. The linens and other sundries are stored in the large open area under the loft where the children sleep.**
<#bill: Question: I took a look at the share docs in google and noticed that one of the rooms is listed as belonging to Abner Hayes. Who is that? #>
<#bill: Question: I took a look at the share docs in google and noticed that one of the rooms is listed as belonging to Abner Hayes. Who is that? #>
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NeedsBill
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<#kate: I remember doing this with the girls in the dorm, and was thinking we might "arrange ourselves" within the orphanage as well, in this case picking "beds". I'm guessing "beds" is more straw mattresses or blankets on the ground than warm and cozy things. It might be more of a chaotic mess up there too, where individual "spaces" aren't really had, making this moot, but until then, I'll plow on. The image that I have is of a long rectangular room with 6 beds on the left, 7 on the right with an open hole in the floor for the stairs making up the missing bed unit. Maybe (if interested) people can pick their spots below? I realize that Ann would probably get first pick and we'd go down the line based upon arrival times, and this might be dependent on where NPC's end up but I thought I'd start the potential discussion. The WBed at 6 and 8 is my way of representing the one window we apparently have according to Kel. The Left Side also overlooks the Garden and Cemetery while the Right side is on the Hotel and Kitchen side of things. The main entrance is on the first floor below Bed's 12 and 13 while the tower is above stairs and bed 1. Hopefully that makes some sense. #>
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====Diagrams and layouts:====
[[https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1OoCF1woMuhmrvtkTD9eUQaDrzTfAX9rikQuHUxgSe00/edit Orphanage Interior]]
[[https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/14DzVBrBwloau77LdU9wGbsTX2659Ken5DTMRVKNhKvg/edit Hotel Second Floor]]
[[https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/12-24mJVhgOsK4gtdUQ98jWHisQ6kDMkBetudBzOWiJ8/edit Hotel Third Floor]]
[[https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1b7Gm-38mqw_y6C7pFNwxKb56YzZuUcb88afc-Px2SZY/edit Hotel Fourth Floor]]
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[[https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1OoCF1woMuhmrvtkTD9eUQaDrzTfAX9rikQuHUxgSe00/edit Orphanage Interior]]
[[https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/14DzVBrBwloau77LdU9wGbsTX2659Ken5DTMRVKNhKvg/edit Hotel Second Floor]]
[[https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/12-24mJVhgOsK4gtdUQ98jWHisQ6kDMkBetudBzOWiJ8/edit Hotel Third Floor]]
[[https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1b7Gm-38mqw_y6C7pFNwxKb56YzZuUcb88afc-Px2SZY/edit Hotel Fourth Floor]]
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[[http://www.example.com Hotel Second Floor]]
[[http://www.example.com Hotel Third Floor]]
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[[https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1zmWIyYoUO0GzNmCjiIbtQ3NW7wPgOXtpjV-WBiihRPU/edit St. James Hotel Front Facade Drawing]]
[[https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1MLH0V_I1Qk1zQD6hJlsct84yRKOaihHW7vbyAnYAkWY/edit St. James Orphanage Front Facade Drawing]]
[[https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1MLH0V_I1Qk1zQD6hJlsct84yRKOaihHW7vbyAnYAkWY/edit St. James Orphanage Front Facade Drawing]]
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[[https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1b7Gm-38mqw_y6C7pFNwxKb56YzZuUcb88afc-Px2SZY St. James Orphanage Front Facade Drawing]]
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[[https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1gCL0m43lJN7KlLF8QRU60FN4p3ocq3D0JGB3XQ33Vrc/edit Hotel and Orphanage Site Layout]]
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[[https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1b7Gm-38mqw_y6C7pFNwxKb56YzZuUcb88afc-Px2SZY St. James Orphanage Front Facade Drawing]]
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[[https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1zmWIyYoUO0GzNmCjiIbtQ3NW7wPgOXtpjV-WBiihRPU St. James Hotel Front Facade Drawing]]
[[http://www.example.com St. James Orphanage Front Facade Drawing]]
[[https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1gCL0m43lJN7KlLF8QRU60FN4p3ocq3D0JGB3XQ33Vrc Hotel and Orphanage Site Layout]]
[[http://www.example.com Orphanage Interior]]
[[http://www.example.com Hotel Second Floor]]
[[http://www.example.com Hotel Third Floor]]
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Vincent and Rose Black run the St. James Hotel. A large hotel that is in the heart of the French Quarter (Address needed. Adjacent buildings needed.)
The children have little interaction with Mr. Black. He is a stern man, tall and thin, with gray edges to his dark black hair. He smokes a pipe and likes to keep to himself. He drinks in the evenings, and generally seems sour and sad. He never talks with the children.
[[https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1zmWIyYoUO0GzNmCjiIbtQ3NW7wPgOXtpjV-WBiihRPU St. James Hotel Front Facade Drawing]]
[[http://www.example.com St. James Orphanage Front Facade Drawing]]
[[https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1gCL0m43lJN7KlLF8QRU60FN4p3ocq3D0JGB3XQ33Vrc Hotel and Orphanage Site Layout]]
[[http://www.example.com Orphanage Interior]]
[[http://www.example.com Hotel Second Floor]]
[[http://www.example.com Hotel Third Floor]]
[[http://www.example.com Hotel Fourth Floor]]
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Vincent and Rose Black run the St. James Hotel. A large hotel that is in the heart of the French Quarter (Address needed. Adjacent buildings needed.)
The children have little interaction with Mr. Black. He is a stern man, tall and thin, with gray edges to his dark black hair. He smokes a pipe and likes to keep to himself. He drinks in the evenings, and generally seems sour and sad. He never talks with the children.
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[[https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1zmWIyYoUO0GzNmCjiIbtQ3NW7wPgOXtpjV-WBiihRPU/edit St. James Hotel Drawing]]
**The children have little interaction with Mr. Black. He is a stern man, tall and thin, with gray edges to his dark black hair. He smokes a pipe and likes to keep to himself. He drinks in the evenings, and generally seems sour and sad. He never talks with the children.
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<#kate: I remember doing this with the girls in the dorm, and was thinking we might "arrange ourselves" within the orphanage as well, in this case picking "beds". I'm guessing "beds" is more straw mattresses or blankets on the ground than warm and cozy things. It might be more of a chaotic mess up there too, where individual "spaces" aren't really had, making this moot, but until then, I'll plow on. The image that I have is of a long rectangular room with 6 beds on the left, 7 on the right with an open hole in the floor for the stairs making up the missing bed unit. Maybe (if interested) people can pick their spots below? I realize that Ann would probably get first pick and we'd go down the line based upon arrival times, and this might be dependent on where NPC's end up but I thought I'd start the potential discussion. The WBed at 6 and 8 is my way of representing the one window we apparently have according to Kel. The Left Side also overlooks the Garden and Cemetery while the Right side is on the Hotel and Kitchen side of things. The main entrance is on the first floor below Bed's 12 and 13 while the tower is above stairs and bed 1. Hopefully that makes some sense. I'll try and post a layout soon (more soon if the snow keeps me trapped) #>
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<#kate: I remember doing this with the girls in the dorm, and was thinking we might "arrange ourselves" within the orphanage as well, in this case picking "beds". I'm guessing beds is more straw mattresses or blankets on the ground. It might be more of a chaotic mess up there too, where individual "spaces" aren't really had, making this moot, but until then, I'll plow on. The image that I have is of a long rectangular room with 6 beds on the left, 7 on the right with an open hole in the floor for the stairs making up the missing bed unit. Maybe (if interested) people can pick their spots below? I realize that Ann would probably get first pick and we'd go down the line based upon arrival times, and this might be dependent on where NPC's end up but I thought I'd start the potential discussion. The WBed at 6 and 8 is my way of representing the one window we apparently have according to Kel. #>
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**There are between 7 and 12 children in the orphanage. So the PCs + a few others. I have not fully fleshed out the other characters yet. I would like to get some idea of the other PCs personalities, so the characters that I make do not overlap too heavily. E.G. if Cole is a big troublemaker, then I don't want to make a troublemaker character.**
<#kate: I remember doing this with the girls in the dorm, and was thinking we might "arrange ourselves" with in the orphanage as well, in this case picking beds. The image that I have is a long rectangular room with 6 beds on the left, 7 on the right with an open hole in the floor for the stairs making up the missing bed unit. Maybe (if interested) people can pick their spots below? I realize that Ann would probably get first pick and we'd go down the line based upon arrival times, and this might be dependent on where NPC's end up but I thought I'd start the potential discussion. The WBed at 6 and 8 is my way of representing the one window we apparently have according to Kel. #>
|=|Left Side|=|Right Side||
||Stairs||Bed 1 - Name?||
||Bed 2 - Name?||Bed 3 - Name?||
||Bed 4 - Name?||Bed 5 - Name?||
||WBed 6 - Name?||Bed 7 - Name?||
||WBed 8 - Name?||Bed 9 - Name?||
||Bed 10 - Name?||Bed 11 - Name?||
||Bed 12 - Name?||Bed 13 - Name?||
<#kate: I remember doing this with the girls in the dorm, and was thinking we might "arrange ourselves" with in the orphanage as well, in this case picking beds. The image that I have is a long rectangular room with 6 beds on the left, 7 on the right with an open hole in the floor for the stairs making up the missing bed unit. Maybe (if interested) people can pick their spots below? I realize that Ann would probably get first pick and we'd go down the line based upon arrival times, and this might be dependent on where NPC's end up but I thought I'd start the potential discussion. The WBed at 6 and 8 is my way of representing the one window we apparently have according to Kel. #>
|=|Left Side|=|Right Side||
||Stairs||Bed 1 - Name?||
||Bed 2 - Name?||Bed 3 - Name?||
||Bed 4 - Name?||Bed 5 - Name?||
||WBed 6 - Name?||Bed 7 - Name?||
||WBed 8 - Name?||Bed 9 - Name?||
||Bed 10 - Name?||Bed 11 - Name?||
||Bed 12 - Name?||Bed 13 - Name?||
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**Elizabeth Clark, the matron, is the person the children interact with the most. She is employed by Mrs. Black to do the real work involved with running the orphanage. Keeping the children clothed and fed, putting them to bed, caring for them when they are sick, all these tasks fall to Elizabeth, or Mrs. Lizzy as the children sometimes call her. She lives and sleeps in a small room underneath the loft where the children sleep, acting as both a caretaker and a prison guard. She is not cruel to the children, but this is a job for her and she treats it like one. She is very even handed with the children and by the nature of Nora and Mr. French ends up being the good cop more often than not. She is not above spanking and punishments, but at the end of the day, the children's best interest are in the forefront of her mind. She is a large (big, tall and muscular, not fat) creole woman, with a big laugh. She and Louis flirt a lot but nothing more appears to come of that, otherwise she spends her nights alone. If she is not actively dealing with the children (when they are at work, for example) she acts as a maid / laundrywoman. The linnens and other sundries are stored in the large open area under the loft where the children sleep.**
**Piano is a go in the hotel.
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**Piano is a go in the hotel.
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**Piano is a go in the hotel.**
**Info added (note Lizzy and the question about personalities)**
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Elizabeth Clark, the matron, is the person the children interact with the most. She is employed by Mrs. Black to do the real work involved with running the orphanage. Keeping the children clothed and fed, putting them to bed, caring for them when they are sick, all these tasks fall to Elizabeth, or Mrs. Lizzy as the children sometimes call her. She lives and sleeps in a small room underneath the loft where the children sleep, acting as both a caretaker and a prison guard. She is not crewel to the children, but this is a job for her and she treats it like one. She is very even handed with the children and by the nature of Nora and Mr. French ends up being the good cop more often than not. She is not above spanking and punishments, but at the end of the day, the children's best interest are in the forefront of her mind. She is a large (big, tall and muscular, not fat) creole woman, with a big laugh. She and Louis flirt a lot but nothing more appears to come of that, otherwise she spends her nights alone. If she is not actively dealing with the children (when they are at work, for example) she acts as a maid / laundrywoman. The linens and other sundries are stored in the large open area under the loft where the children sleep.**
**Piano is a go in the hotel.**
**Info added (note Lizzy and the question about personalities)**
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NeedsAnn
NeedsCourt
**Piano is a go in the hotel.**
**Info added (note Lizzy and the question about personalities)**
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**Piano is a go in the hotel.
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Elizabeth Clark, the matron, is the person the children interact with the most. She is employed by Mrs. Black to do the real work involved with running the orphanage. Keeping the children clothed and fed, putting them to bed, caring for them when they are sick, all these tasks fall to Elizabeth, or Mrs. Lizzy as the children sometimes call her. She lives and sleeps in a small room underneath the loft where the children sleep, acting as both a caretaker and a prison guard. She is not crewel to the children, but this is a job for her and she treats it like one. She is very even handed with the children and by the nature of Nora and Mr. French ends up being the good cop more often than not. She is not above spanking and punishments, but at the end of the day, the children's best interest are in the forefront of her mind. She is a large (big, tall and muscular, not fat) creole woman, with a big laugh. She and Louis flirt a lot but nothing more appears to come of that, otherwise she spends her nights alone. If she is not actively dealing with the children (when they are at work, for example) she acts as a maid / laundrywoman. The linnens and other sundries are stored in the large open area under the loft where the children sleep.**
**There are between 7 and 12 children in the orphanage. So the PCs + a few others. I have not fully fleshed out the other characters yet. I would like to get some idea of the other PCs personalities, so the characters that I make do not overlap too heavily. E.G. if Cole is a big troublemaker, then I dont want to make a troublemaker character.**
**There are between 7 and 12 children in the orphanage. So the PCs + a few others. I have not fully fleshed out the other characters yet. I would like to get some idea of the other PCs personalities, so the characters that I make do not overlap too heavily. E.G. if Cole is a big troublemaker, then I dont want to make a troublemaker character.**
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**Kelly's random thoughts (These are mutable but might give people some things to incorporate) :
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& For children who had already experienced a life of vice in the city, the reformers established industrial homes, houses of refuge, and reformatories with an emphasis on work and vocational education.
That seems to match well with our St. James Orphanage. Maybe just something a few hours a week set aside where Mrs. Black taught us basic numbers and letters?
#>
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<#jonah: Can I request that the orphanage have some time set aside for basic education? The document "Orphanages" above says that this type of activity would have been normal for an urban orphanage/work house:
& For children who had already experienced a life of vice in the city, the reformers established industrial homes, houses of refuge, and reformatories with an emphasis on work and vocational education.
That seems to match well with our St. James Orphanage. Maybe just something a few hours a week set aside where Mrs. Black taught us basic numbers and letters?
#>
& For children who had already experienced a life of vice in the city, the reformers established industrial homes, houses of refuge, and reformatories with an emphasis on work and vocational education.
That seems to match well with our St. James Orphanage. Maybe just something a few hours a week set aside where Mrs. Black taught us basic numbers and letters?
#>
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**There are between 7 and 12 children in the orphanage. So the PCs + a few others. I have not fully fleshed out the other characters yet.**
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<#ann: I have a question: How many children are in the orphanage in total? Are we the only ones, are there dozens/scores/hundreds? - Ann#>
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<#ann I have a question: How many children are in the orphanage in total? Are we the only ones, are there dozens/scores/hundreds? - Ann#>
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<#kate: Ann already found the Picayune (through BPL if you're interested) but here's a link to more local newspapers of the era:
[[http://sites.google.com/site/onlinenewspapersite/Home/usa/la Louisiana Online Historical Newspapers]] #>
[[http://sites.google.com/site/onlinenewspapersite/Home/usa/la Louisiana Online Historical Newspapers]] #>
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[[http://louisdl.louislibraries.org/u?/FBM,478 Contemporary picture of a similar hotel]]
[[http://louisdl.louislibraries.org/u?/GFM,946 Hotel bedroom]]
[[http://louisdl.louislibraries.org/u?/GFM,501 Hotel bedroom]]
[[http://louisdl.louislibraries.org/u?/GFM,81 Parlor room]]
[[http://louisdl.louislibraries.org/u?/GFM,796 Sitting room]]
[[http://louisdl.louislibraries.org/u?/GFM,28 Dining room]]
[[http://louisdl.louislibraries.org/u?/GFM,946 Hotel bedroom]]
[[http://louisdl.louislibraries.org/u?/GFM,501 Hotel bedroom]]
[[http://louisdl.louislibraries.org/u?/GFM,81 Parlor room]]
[[http://louisdl.louislibraries.org/u?/GFM,796 Sitting room]]
[[http://louisdl.louislibraries.org/u?/GFM,28 Dining room]]
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This is a page which will serve as a scaffolding for building up the 1880s game.
[[https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1zmWIyYoUO0GzNmCjiIbtQ3NW7wPgOXtpjV-WBiihRPU/edit St. James Hotel Drawing]]
**The children have little interaction with Mr. Black. He is a stern man, tall and thin, with gray edges to his dark black hair. He smokes a pipe and likes to keep to himself. He drinks in the evenings, and generally seems sour and sad. He never talks with the children.
[[https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1zmWIyYoUO0GzNmCjiIbtQ3NW7wPgOXtpjV-WBiihRPU/edit St. James Hotel Drawing]]
**The children have little interaction with Mr. Black. He is a stern man, tall and thin, with gray edges to his dark black hair. He smokes a pipe and likes to keep to himself. He drinks in the evenings, and generally seems sour and sad. He never talks with the children.
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{{image url="https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1zmWIyYoUO0GzNmCjiIbtQ3NW7wPgOXtpjV-WBiihRPU/edit" title="St. James Hotel Drawing" alt="text"}}
The children have little interaction with Mr. Black. He is a stern man, tall and thin, with gray edges to his dark black hair. He smokes a pipe and likes to keep to himself. He drinks in the evenings, and generally seems sour and sad. He never talks with the children.
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Vincent and Rose Black run the St. James Hotel. A large hotel that is in the heart of the French Quarter (Address needed. Adjacent buildings needed.)**
{{image url="https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1zmWIyYoUO0GzNmCjiIbtQ3NW7wPgOXtpjV-WBiihRPU/edit" title="St. James Hotel Drawing" alt="text"}}
{{image url="https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1zmWIyYoUO0GzNmCjiIbtQ3NW7wPgOXtpjV-WBiihRPU/edit" title="St. James Hotel Drawing" alt="text"}}
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{{image url="https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1zmWIyYoUO0GzNmCjiIbtQ3NW7wPgOXtpjV-WBiihRPU/edit" title="St. James Hotel" alt="St. James Hotel"}}This is a page which will serve as a scaffolding for building up the 1880s game.
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Rose, much like her name loves flowers, she maintains a sizable garden, one of the children's jobs is to tend the garden there. She displays her flowers on the front desk of the hotel, and everywhere else she can. When the garden is not producing, she pays an exorbitant sum to have flowers brought in.
Rumors is that the Blacks had two children a boy and a girl, its unclear what happened to them, the staff doesnt know or doesnt say. There are pictures of several people who look like the Blacks on the mantle in the den of the Black's apartment, but it is unclear if they are relatives or children. (Children being children can feel free to make up what they think the truth is.)
Rumors is that the Blacks had two children a boy and a girl, its unclear what happened to them, the staff doesnt know or doesnt say. There are pictures of several people who look like the Blacks on the mantle in the den of the Black's apartment, but it is unclear if they are relatives or children. (Children being children can feel free to make up what they think the truth is.)
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After Church, Sunday afternoon is the only real "free time" besides evenings that the children have. They are left a bit to their own devices. They are however expected to be in at 6 sharp (if the last bell rings and your not home, you are in BIG trouble) for Sunday Dinner. The staff and the children eat together that one meal. The staff and children eat in a small side room, the Black's and the guests ear in the large hotel dining room.
Other meals, the children are fed in the kitchen after the staff have eaten, 8pm (by the church bells) then off to bed.
The children all sleep in the same room, at the top of the stairs in the orphanage, the bedroom has a single window, which can be used to access the tower, otherwise the window looks out over the cemetery.
Other meals, the children are fed in the kitchen after the staff have eaten, 8pm (by the church bells) then off to bed.
The children all sleep in the same room, at the top of the stairs in the orphanage, the bedroom has a single window, which can be used to access the tower, otherwise the window looks out over the cemetery.
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The children are lead to church all tied together with some rope (to keep them together) they are sat in the back and prayed at.
After Church, Sunday afternoon is the only real "free time" besides evenings that the children have. They are left a bit to their own devices.
It is unlikely that his last name is actually French, but he does speak fluent French, and will use it to converse with the the Creole staff. He was an officer during the war, and has some wartime connections to Mr. Black, but he does not speak of it. He is very reverent of Mr. Black and will never speak ill of him.
The Chef, Louis Lavinie, is the only other white staff member. A huge fat man he has a jolly laugh and thick red hair. He claims to have been "classically" trained but has no "proof" other than that his food is tasty. He loves the children, and is constantly sneaking them treats and things (much to the chagrin of Mr. French). Louis can read and write and teaches any interested children the same skills. (Anyone who is interested would learn the basics from Louis, and then once they showed the aptitude, would be given jobs (signing in guests etc) to improve their skills.) Other than on the job training, Sunday School, and lessons from Louis the children have no other formal education.
Nora, a willowy black woman is the head maid. She was Mr. Black's slave, and still basically is in all but name. He treats her well and she runs the house and hotel in the shadow of Mr. French. Mr. French is big and vocal, the face of the hotel, and is "in charge" but the place really dances to the beat of Nora. She believes good help is doing things before people realize they need to be done, and that includes whiping the children if necessary. Cross Mr. French and you earn a beating and lack of supper. Cross Nora and your life is hell, and the children know it. They dont so much hate her as they do fear her. Her word is law, but as long as you do your job and stay on her good side all doors will remain open for you.**
After Church, Sunday afternoon is the only real "free time" besides evenings that the children have. They are left a bit to their own devices.
It is unlikely that his last name is actually French, but he does speak fluent French, and will use it to converse with the the Creole staff. He was an officer during the war, and has some wartime connections to Mr. Black, but he does not speak of it. He is very reverent of Mr. Black and will never speak ill of him.
The Chef, Louis Lavinie, is the only other white staff member. A huge fat man he has a jolly laugh and thick red hair. He claims to have been "classically" trained but has no "proof" other than that his food is tasty. He loves the children, and is constantly sneaking them treats and things (much to the chagrin of Mr. French). Louis can read and write and teaches any interested children the same skills. (Anyone who is interested would learn the basics from Louis, and then once they showed the aptitude, would be given jobs (signing in guests etc) to improve their skills.) Other than on the job training, Sunday School, and lessons from Louis the children have no other formal education.
Nora, a willowy black woman is the head maid. She was Mr. Black's slave, and still basically is in all but name. He treats her well and she runs the house and hotel in the shadow of Mr. French. Mr. French is big and vocal, the face of the hotel, and is "in charge" but the place really dances to the beat of Nora. She believes good help is doing things before people realize they need to be done, and that includes whiping the children if necessary. Cross Mr. French and you earn a beating and lack of supper. Cross Nora and your life is hell, and the children know it. They dont so much hate her as they do fear her. Her word is law, but as long as you do your job and stay on her good side all doors will remain open for you.**
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Rose is a very devout Christian and attends Church every Sunday, and participates in all the Church functions. (Church name needed). She insists that all the children attend Sunday service with her. She is the reason that the Orphanage is open, and she wants to make sure to save the children's souls.
The Saint James Orphanage is attached to the hotel via a small dirty alley, which is the path the children workers take to the hotel early each morning. The Blacks live in an apartment in the hotel.
A long time ago, the Orphanage and the Hotel were a church complex, and it gate still is attached to a small cemetery. The only bit of the Church that remains is what used to be the bell tower, the bells are long gone but the tall spiral tower remains attached to the Orphanage. By crawling out of one of the upstairs windows, and along the rooftop the children can reach the tower which still has a small room where the bells used to be. From this room they can overlook most of the city and hear music floating in from downtown.
The head of the staff is Mr. Martin French. He is a short stout man that is all muscle. He's bald with a thick black beard and a loud voice and smile. He shows up to work every day in his fine pressed tuxedo. He is very proud of his job. He interacts with the children, calling them his "little soldiers." He is not mean, but expects the children to do the jobs they are assigned and is not afraid of beating children who misbehave, or slack off in their duties. As a policy each child is beaten their first day so that they "know what it feels like."
It is unlikely that his last name is actually French, but he does speak fluent French, and will use it to converse with the the Creole staff. He was an officer during the war, and has some wartime connections to Mr. Black, but he does not speak of it. He is very reverent of Mr. Black and will never speak ill of him.**
The Saint James Orphanage is attached to the hotel via a small dirty alley, which is the path the children workers take to the hotel early each morning. The Blacks live in an apartment in the hotel.
A long time ago, the Orphanage and the Hotel were a church complex, and it gate still is attached to a small cemetery. The only bit of the Church that remains is what used to be the bell tower, the bells are long gone but the tall spiral tower remains attached to the Orphanage. By crawling out of one of the upstairs windows, and along the rooftop the children can reach the tower which still has a small room where the bells used to be. From this room they can overlook most of the city and hear music floating in from downtown.
The head of the staff is Mr. Martin French. He is a short stout man that is all muscle. He's bald with a thick black beard and a loud voice and smile. He shows up to work every day in his fine pressed tuxedo. He is very proud of his job. He interacts with the children, calling them his "little soldiers." He is not mean, but expects the children to do the jobs they are assigned and is not afraid of beating children who misbehave, or slack off in their duties. As a policy each child is beaten their first day so that they "know what it feels like."
It is unlikely that his last name is actually French, but he does speak fluent French, and will use it to converse with the the Creole staff. He was an officer during the war, and has some wartime connections to Mr. Black, but he does not speak of it. He is very reverent of Mr. Black and will never speak ill of him.**
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Vincent and Rose Black run the St. James Hotel. A large hotel that is in the heart of the French Quarter (Address needed. Adjacent buildings needed.)
The children have little interaction with Mr. Black. He is a stern man, tall and thin, with gray edges to his dark black hair. He smokes a pipe and likes to keep to himself. He drinks in the evenings, and generally seems sour and sad. He never talks with the children.
The Hotel was used by Confederate Soldiers as a way station during the war. Mr. Black is a strong Confederate supporter, and a Confederate flag hangs in the Black's apartment.
The Saint James Orphanage is attached to the hotel via a small dirty alley, which is the path the children workers take to the hotel early each morning. The Blacks live in an apartment in the hotel.**
The children have little interaction with Mr. Black. He is a stern man, tall and thin, with gray edges to his dark black hair. He smokes a pipe and likes to keep to himself. He drinks in the evenings, and generally seems sour and sad. He never talks with the children.
The Hotel was used by Confederate Soldiers as a way station during the war. Mr. Black is a strong Confederate supporter, and a Confederate flag hangs in the Black's apartment.
The Saint James Orphanage is attached to the hotel via a small dirty alley, which is the path the children workers take to the hotel early each morning. The Blacks live in an apartment in the hotel.**
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The Saint James Orphanage is attached to the hotel via a small dirty alley, which is the path the children workers take to the hotel early each morning.**
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- All PCs were at the same orphanage - **The St. James Orphanage**
**Descriptions:
Vinsent and Rose Black run the St. James Hotel. A large hotel that is in the heart of the French Quarter (Address needed. Adjacent buildings needed.)
The Saint James Orphanage is attached to the hotel via a small dirty alley, which is the path the children workers take to the hotel early each morning.**
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**Descriptions:
Vinsent and Rose Black run the St. James Hotel. A large hotel that is in the heart of the French Quarter (Address needed. Adjacent buildings needed.)
The Saint James Orphanage is attached to the hotel via a small dirty alley, which is the path the children workers take to the hotel early each morning.**
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- (Kel) organize the characters into a minimal timeline, and set up shell events to get the role playing started. [[NOTimelineOrphanage Orphanage Timeline]]
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**Notes etc below:**
**Notes etc below:**
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- 1st arrival
- 2nd arrival
- 3rd arrival
- 4th arrival
- 5th arrival
- 1st Mardis Gras
- 1st Christmas
- 1st departure
- 2nd departure
- 3rd departure
- 4th departure
- 5th departure
- Start of game June 1878?
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[[NOTimelineOrphanage Orphanage Timeline]]
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<#court: Here's that subpage! [[SiblingsPossibilities]] #>
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<#kate: Hey Court - Sounds fun but I think I'll skip on the siblings at this point. My vote would be for the hotel if we're only doing one. -Kate #>
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<#bill: l Kel, did you create a subpage somewhere that I'm not seeing? Or are you just telling us to go ahead and create one? #>
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<#bil: l Kel, did you create a subpage somewhere that I'm not seeing? Or are you just telling us to go ahead and create one? #>
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<#bill Kel, did you create a subpage somewhere that I'm not seeing? Or are you just telling us to go ahead and create one? #>
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**Piano is a go in the hotel.
I would prefer if everyone is in the same place. I can find lots of manual labor for the boys to do (chop wood, haul landry, carpentry, plumbing, etc)**
**Subpage for the siblings go!**
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I would prefer if everyone is in the same place. I can find lots of manual labor for the boys to do (chop wood, haul landry, carpentry, plumbing, etc)**
**Subpage for the siblings go!**
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<#court: Factory/hotel/balcony all sound great! I also wanted to bring up the possibility of siblings again... J and Bill I think expressed initial interest, but as everyone thinks about their characters more, I wanted to check in again. I will start an email thread or create a subpage for whoever wants to jump on the bandwagon! My initial thought was to create a family in which mental illness of a parent was a prime factor in the child(ren) going to the orphanage. I've been doing some research and thinking and can bat around ideas with whoever lets me know they'd like to! =) -Court#>
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<#ann: It's the physical nature of doing laundry and baking bread that I'm counting on to build my muscles! Sewing is tedious and sedentary, but that's about the only household task that is not back-breaking. But I'm down with making it a hybrid hotel/factory if that's what we want. There's more scope there for people being able to either gain a skill they want to have or make their lives miserable in a particular way, whichever path they want to take with the character-Ann#>
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2) I think the business was heavily involved in the civil war, but with it over, has seen better times. (example if it was a hotel it housed soldiers, if it was a factory it made munitions, etc.)
<#kate: I'm cool if the tower = balcony. I just wanted a place where my character could hang out (sneak out more probably) and listen to music. In reply to the hotel / factory - could we do both? The girls at the hotel, the boys at the factory? I hate to be stereotypical but I feel like the guys would be put to work in a more physically demanding environment (hauling stuff, chopping, working with machines) while the girls might be more the laundry, cooking route. Either way works for me really, just wanted to voice the option. Since my hope is to have a musically inclined character, could there be a piano in the hotel? - Kate #>
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<#kate: I'm cool if the tower = balcony. I just wanted a place where my character could hang out (sneak out more probably) and listen to music. In reply to the hotel / factory - could we do both? The girls at the hotel, the boys at the factory? I hate to be stereotypical but I feel like the guys would be put to work in a more physically demanding environment (hauling stuff, chopping, working with machines) while the girls might be more the laundry, cooking route. Either way works for me really, just wanted to voice the option. Since my hope is to have a musically inclined character, could there be a piano in the hotel? - Kate #>
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<#ann: If there is a high tower, would we need a balcony? I sort of like the idea of sneaking out on the roof/tower to listen to the music. It gives it a forbidden air. In response to being a factory/hotel, I would vote for the hotel. There's much more varied work and more physical work in running a hotel than in working in a factory. Learning to sew, do laundry, cook, etc can be useful skills. -Ann #>
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<#kate: I'd like a balcony (maybe iron wrought like they have in all those pictures) where you can hear music and maybe see some of the fancy folks in town. -Kate #>
<#kate: I'd like a balcony (maybe iron wrought like they have in all those pictures) where you can hear music and maybe see some of the fancy folks in town. -Kate #>
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<#kate: Syntax in use! Also, I hope these work. [[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1trMiFR3yc-OZHncEyPu46eYQy65aRASIpjuIswCDIyQ/edit Orphans and Orphanages]] and [[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QxFX5tGrH4XJMDHaosts29tKv2vn3BREz51RyQuo5Fc/edit Orphanages]] They might be interesting reads and suggest some different family dynamics than just having both parents deceased. - kate #>
<#kate I'd like a balcony (maybe iron wrought like they have in all those pictures) where you can hear music and maybe see some of the fancy folks in town. -Kate #>
<#kate I'd like a balcony (maybe iron wrought like they have in all those pictures) where you can hear music and maybe see some of the fancy folks in town. -Kate #>
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<#kate: Hey all. Been thinking about my character (gasp) and was wondering if we could tweak some of the years so that her respective ages could make sense? I'm hoping to have her be 21-22 in 1880, while arriving at the orphanage around 9, putting the "start year" around 1867-68 rather than 1865. I was also hoping she would be the 4th or 5th of the PC's to arrive as well. Not sure if any of that works, but let me know. Happy character developing. Kate. #>
<#ann: I don't have a problem with that. I did some initial investigating, and while the majority of orphanages were single sex, I did find records specifically in New Orleans that referenced sending both male and female children to the same institution, and other records that talk about the Blank Orphanage for Girls and Blank Orphanage for Boys, which imply sister schools, so that's not too much of a problem. I have found numerous references to integrated schools in New Orleans in this period (thought by the end of the century that had changed), so if we decide to be an integrated orphanage, I think we can let that slide. I'm still looking for more detailed information about what it was like to live in an orphanage in this time period, but signs seem to indicate that schooling would be important. Almost every reference to NO orphanages mention 'good education' (though of course the official press is hardly going to say otherwise.) Most mention teaching girls to sew, and several say they teach boys 'a useful trade'. At least one orphanage in NO was doing the laundry of hotels and steamboats, so that might be something to think about.) #>
<#bill: The other option is that was make the game happen earlier....like 1878 or so. I think I would prefer that option, but I can go either way. #>
<#court: Shifting the timing either of the ways mentioned is fine with me! And I think my character would be good arriving at the orphanage earlyish, so that shouldn't be in conflict for arrival order! -ct. #>
<#jonah: JP: I have no problem with that date adjustment. If you have something cool in mind, I'd say let's go for it. (As an aside, don't forget that the new wiki syntax works! I've updated the above text to use the new stuff. #>
<#ann: I don't have a problem with that. I did some initial investigating, and while the majority of orphanages were single sex, I did find records specifically in New Orleans that referenced sending both male and female children to the same institution, and other records that talk about the Blank Orphanage for Girls and Blank Orphanage for Boys, which imply sister schools, so that's not too much of a problem. I have found numerous references to integrated schools in New Orleans in this period (thought by the end of the century that had changed), so if we decide to be an integrated orphanage, I think we can let that slide. I'm still looking for more detailed information about what it was like to live in an orphanage in this time period, but signs seem to indicate that schooling would be important. Almost every reference to NO orphanages mention 'good education' (though of course the official press is hardly going to say otherwise.) Most mention teaching girls to sew, and several say they teach boys 'a useful trade'. At least one orphanage in NO was doing the laundry of hotels and steamboats, so that might be something to think about.) #>
<#bill: The other option is that was make the game happen earlier....like 1878 or so. I think I would prefer that option, but I can go either way. #>
<#court: Shifting the timing either of the ways mentioned is fine with me! And I think my character would be good arriving at the orphanage earlyish, so that shouldn't be in conflict for arrival order! -ct. #>
<#jonah: JP: I have no problem with that date adjustment. If you have something cool in mind, I'd say let's go for it. (As an aside, don't forget that the new wiki syntax works! I've updated the above text to use the new stuff. #>
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{{color c="green" text="I don't have a problem with that. I did some initial investigating, and while the majority of orphanages were single sex, I did find records specifically in New Orleans that referenced sending both male and female children to the same institution, and other records that talk about the Blank Orphanage for Girls and Blank Orphanage for Boys, which imply sister schools, so that's not too much of a problem. I have found numerous references to integrated schools in New Orleans in this period (thought by the end of the century that had changed), so if we decide to be an integrated orphanage, I think we can let that slide. I'm still looking for more detailed information about what it was like to live in an orphanage in this time period, but signs seem to indicate that schooling would be important. Almost every reference to NO orphanages mention 'good education' (though of course the official press is hardly going to say otherwise.) Most mention teaching girls to sew, and several say they teach boys 'a useful trade'. At least one orphanage in NO was doing the laundry of hotels and steamboats, so that might be something to think about.)"}}
''The other option is that was make the game happen earlier....like 1878 or so. I think I would prefer that option, but I can go either way.''
{{color c="purple" text="Shifting the timing either of the ways mentioned is fine with me! And I think my character would be good arriving at the orphanage earlyish, so that shouldn't be in conflict for arrival order!"}} -ct.
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**Kelly's random thoughts (These are muteable but might give people some things to incorporate) :
1) I think the orphanage is run as a business...my gut is that its attached or nearby a factory / hotel thing and the orphanage provides for the children but they are expected to work at the business "getting real world training to make them productive members of society." (In other words free labor in exchange for room and board).
2) I think the business was heavily involved in the civil war, but with it over, has seen better times. (example if it was a hotel it housed soliders, if it was a factory it made munitions, etc.)
3) I think the business is run by the male half of a couple, while the female half runs the orphanage. (I can also see the whole family being involved...oldest daughter cooking the kids food, oldest son working as the foreman at the business).
4) I think the orphanage has a tall tower or spire that the kids can climb up and look out over the city.
Ill add more as my brain churns, others can feel free to add as well.**
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1) I think the orphanage is run as a business...my gut is that its attached or nearby a factory / hotel thing and the orphanage provides for the children but they are expected to work at the business "getting real world training to make them productive members of society." (In other words free labor in exchange for room and board).
2) I think the business was heavily involved in the civil war, but with it over, has seen better times. (example if it was a hotel it housed soliders, if it was a factory it made munitions, etc.)
3) I think the business is run by the male half of a couple, while the female half runs the orphanage. (I can also see the whole family being involved...oldest daughter cooking the kids food, oldest son working as the foreman at the business).
4) I think the orphanage has a tall tower or spire that the kids can climb up and look out over the city.
Ill add more as my brain churns, others can feel free to add as well.**
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{{color c="purple" text="Shifting the timing either of the ways mentioned is fine with me! And I think my character would be good arriving at the orphanage earlyish, so that shouldn't be in conflict for arrival order!"}} -ct.
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''The other option is that was make the game happen earlier....like 1878 or so. I think I would prefer that option, but I can go either way.''
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{{color c="green" text="I don't have a problem with that. I did some initial investigating, and while the majority of orphanages were single sex, I did find records specifically in New Orleans that referenced sending both male and female children to the same institution, and other records that talk about the Blank Orphanage for Girls and Blank Orphanage for Boys, which imply sister schools, so that's not too much of a problem. I have found numerous references to integrated schools in New Orleans in this period (thought by the end of the century that had changed), so if we decide to be an integrated orphanage, I think we can let that slide. I'm still looking for more detailed information about what it was like to live in an orphanage in this time period, but signs seem to indicate that schooling would be important. Almost every reference to NO orphanages mention 'good education' (though of course the official press is hardly going to say otherwise.) Most mention teaching girls to sew, and several say they teach boys 'a useful trade'. At least one orphanage in NO was doing the laundry of hotels and steamboats, so that might be something to think about.)"}}
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{{color c="green" text="I don't have a problem with that. I did some initial investigating, and while the majority of orphanages were single sex, I did find records specifically in New Orleans that referenced sending both male and female children to the same institution, and other records that talk about the Blank Orphanage for Girls and Blank Orphanage for Boys, which imply sister schools, so that's not too much of a problem. I have found numerous references to integrated schools in New Orleans in this period (thought by the end of the century that had changed), so if we decide to be an integrated orphanage, I think we can let that slide. I'm still looking for more detailed information about what it was like to live in an orphanage in this time period, but signs seem to indicate that schooling would be important. Almost every reference to NO orphanages mention 'good education' (though of course the official press is hardly going to say otherwise.) Most mention teaching girls to sew, and several say they teach boys 'a useful trade'. At least one orphanage in NO was doing the laundry of hotels and steamboats, so that might be something to think about.)}}
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{{color c="green" text="I don't have a problem with that. I did some initial investigating, and while the majority of orphanages were single sex, I did find records specifically in New Orleans that referenced sending both male and female children to the same institution, and other records that talk about the Blank Orphanage for Girls and Blank Orphanage for Boys, which imply sister schools, so that's not too much of a problem. I have found numerous references to integrated schools in New Orleans in this period (thought by the end of the century that had changed), so if we decide to be an integrated orphanage, I think we can let that slide. I'm still looking for more detailed information about what it was like to live in an orphanage in this time period, but signs seem to indicate that schooling would be important. Almost every reference to NO orphanages mention "good education" (though of course the official press is hardly going to say otherwise.) Most mention teaching girls to sew, and several say they teach boys "a useful trade". At least one orphanage in NO was doing the laundry of hotels and steamboats, so that might be something to think about.)}}
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//Hey all. Been thinking about my character (gasp) and was wondering if we could tweak some of the years so that her respective ages could make sense? I'm hoping to have her be 21-22 in 1880, while arriving at the orphanage around 9, putting the "start year" around 1867-68 rather than 1865. I was also hoping she would be the 4th or 5th of the PC's to arrive as well. Not sure if any of that works, but let me know. Happy character developing. Kate.//
Timeline of potential events (to be added to as needed - maybe links to emailed correspondence or other pages when developed?)
- 1st arrival
- 2nd arrival
- 3rd arrival
- 4th arrival
- 5th arrival
- 1st Mardis Gras
- 1st Christmas
- 1st departure
- 2nd departure
- 3rd departure
- 4th departure
- 5th departure
Timeline of potential events (to be added to as needed - maybe links to emailed correspondence or other pages when developed?)
- 1st arrival
- 2nd arrival
- 3rd arrival
- 4th arrival
- 5th arrival
- 1st Mardis Gras
- 1st Christmas
- 1st departure
- 2nd departure
- 3rd departure
- 4th departure
- 5th departure
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**Looks good**
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